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Part 14 of this series
As you undoubtedly guessed from the post title and the fact that this is part of my series critiquing Bob Pulliam’s book “In the Days of Those Kings”, there are several points in “In the Days of Those Kings” where Pulliam redefines the word “resurrection” to mean something other than coming back to life in a new physical body. I could’ve addressed one of those (his reinterpretation of Daniel 12) in a Part 3 to my “In the Days of … WHICH Kings?” posts, but it seemed best to me to deal with all of them in a single post, for your convenience when dealing with amillennialists in general (I’ve found that they tend to use most if not all of these same arguments). While it’s obvious that he’s doing so in order to avoid certain eschatological implications that contradict his views (namely, that there will be 2 mass resurrections and that we will spend the rest of eternity in physical — though glorified — bodies), I personally find it interesting that his tactics for explaining away these implications are very different from one occasion to the next! So let’s consider them, in the order he brings them up.
Daniel 12
Let’s start with what he had to say at the end of Lesson 18:
This chapter [Daniel 12] begins with four words that most people seem to ignore: “Now at that time.” These four words should direct our attention to the time in progress at the end of Daniel 11. Never forget that Daniel did not divide his prophecies into chapters. Daniel 11 and 12 belong together in point of time.
This period leading up to the Messiah has already been described as “the time of the end.” It included the activities of the kings of the North and South. It was the end before the Messiah came, and His arrival is precisely what we have come to in chapter twelve. Don’t forget what we learned in Lesson 6, the cross of Christ was the end of forever. In verse three, we are told that “those who have insight will shine brightly…” Who does the word those refer to? Back in the preceding chapter, we read about those who have insight among the people (Dan 11:33). “Those” is the logical antecedent in the context. “Those” are the people listening to God “in the end,” and suffering as a result. All of this tells us that Daniel 12 is not about a future resurrection, but about past events following the events in Daniel 11.
We are told, “at that time” your people “will be rescued.” What comes after the tribulations of the times of the Grecians? At “that time” the people would be rescued. You don’t have to skip forward thousands of years to make up a fulfillment here. There was something that took place which would be characterized as a rescue of God’s people. Jesus came! What did Jesus do? He came to take away the sins of the world (Jn 1:29). It was not a political rescue operation. It was a rescue mission to save them from eternal loss. That is actually what the Bible is all about.
As we come to verse two, people tend to assume that the final resurrection is being discussed, but this discussion is of awakening through insight to serve God (v3). It is the same figure of speech used by Paul in Ephesians 5:14. There, Paul admonished living people to “awake” and “arise from the dead,” not at the final resurrection, but by their faithful submission to the gospel. The “dust of the ground” (v2) does not refer to the grave. The time will be one of despondency. Tribulation will conquer the hearts of those without “insight.” Those with insight will “awaken” (by submission) to attain everlasting life.
The figure of speech used here is much like the one found in “Our bones are dried up, and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.” (Ezek 37:11). This was the cry of Israel in Babylonian captivity. The Lord’s answer was, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people: and I will bring you into the land of Israel.” (v12) They were physically alive, but they felt like their nation was dead. Here in Daniel 12, we have a different situation that is over 500 years later than the Babylonian captivity, but it has the same kind of description. By the time Antiochus Epiphanes finished with Israel, they would feel like they had died and been buried. But then hope awakened, and was thriving as Jesus came with the good news about the kingdom.
In concluding this prophecy, the messenger says, “Go your way Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.” (12:9) This is the “end time” in which the “abomination of desolation” will be set up (12:11). The phrase “abomination of desolation” is only used twice in the book of Daniel. The first time is in chapter 11 (11:31), and that referred to the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168 B.C. But Jesus tells us that Daniel spoke of an “abomination of desolation” that would accompany the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 (studied in lesson 16). Since Jesus cannot be talking about the one in Daniel 11, He must be talking about the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12. We should also associate this with the “desolations” of Daniel 9:26 (cf. pp202-203).
Daniel is told that there will be 1,290 days “from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up.” Various interpretations have been presented, but it is important that they apply to Christ’s warning in Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20. The number may be symbolic of the extent of Roman persecution before the city of Jerusalem falls. After the destruction of the city, persecution did continue for a short time, possibly symbolized by the 1,335 days. Anyone who listened to Jesus and consulted this prophecy would know that the faithful would see the conclusion of these sufferings.
Daniel was told that he would “rise again” (Dan 12:13 – NASB). The Hebrew word in this text does not refer to a “resurrection.” It means to “stand.” Daniel is simply being told that he will die (enter into rest) and “stand for his lot at the end.” If we keep the word “end” in the context of the events ending with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, we find a logical conclusion to the previous four verses. Daniel was to seal up the prophecy because it pertained to the distant future (12:9; cf. v4). During that time, the prophecies would unfold, and only the wise would accept them (12:10). The climax of tribulation would come, and the faithful must have hope (12:11-12; compare Christ’s warning in Matthew 24:15-22). Daniel’s work is done, but this sealed prophecy will stand as a testimony of his work for God. Darby translated this text well with “… and thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.” We assume that “thy lot” would mean Daniel’s final heavenly home, but that is not the point. This verse isn’t about whether Daniel will be saved. This is about the status of Daniel’s work when the time of fulfillment arrives. This is actually about Daniel’s “lot” as a prophet. His work will be confirmed by the fulfillment of these very distinct and specific prophecies about “the end.”
…There is nothing in the latter chapters of Daniel about a future period of tribulation on the earth. A great deal of history can be found in these chapters. None of it addresses our future.
Daniel provides a great deal of encouragement to the Bible believer. Many events are prophesied, and it all came to pass without fail. In Daniel’s prophecies we can see God’s omniscient power at work. But we also see that God always keeps His promises. God never fails.
{“In the Days of Those Kings: A 24 Lesson Adult Bible Class Study on the Error of Dispensationalism”. Pulliam, Bob. 2015. Houston, TX: Book Pillar Publishing. 193-195. Italics and boldface in original. Underlining mine.}
You would not believe how much anger I had to hold back as I typed these quotes. The sheer number of fabrications, bald assertions, and outright falsehoods Pulliam utilizes when trying to convince his readers to just take his word for it and not investigate these passages any further is enough to make my blood boil. Once again, he’s being sickeningly allegorical in order to convince his readers to ignore the obvious. Well, time to expose the lies point-by-point.
“‘Now at that time.’ These four words should direct our attention to the time in progress at the end of Daniel 11.” Yeah, but that should in turn be interpreted in light of the phrase “And at the time of the end” (KJV) at the beginning of verse 40, which Pulliam’s interpretation completely ignores! Consider what I pointed out in my earlier post discussing this Lesson: verses 36-39 were fulfilled in Herod the Great, yet Pulliam interprets verses 40-43 as being fulfilled in the final days of Ptolemaic Egypt {Ibid. 193.}. This would require backtracking between verses 39 & 40–no hint of which is in the text (how utterly hypocritical–Pulliam has the gall to call out Dispensationalists on reading a forward time jump into verses 35 & 36, while having the audacity himself to read a backward time jump into verses 39 & 40)!
“This period leading up to the Messiah has already been described as ‘the time of the end.’ It included the activities of the kings of the North and South. It was the end before the Messiah came, and His arrival is precisely what we have come to in chapter twelve.” Then why does Daniel 11:40 open with the phrase “And at the time of the end”–implying that everything in verses 2-39 occurs before “the time of the end”?! That “the king of the south” and “the king of the north” are mentioned again in verse 40 is therefore more consistent with rulers of Egypt & Syria being involved in events of the apocalypse, just as they were involved in events impacting Israel in the 4th-2nd centuries B.C. (note that verse 36 mentions “the king” with no qualifier, consistent with this king being of neither Egypt nor Syria–as was the case with Herod the Great)!
“Don’t forget what we learned in Lesson 6, the cross of Christ was the end of forever.” Are you confused by this statement? Well, here’s Pulliam’s Conclusion to Lesson 6, to give you some context for what he means:
In summary, we have learned that the land promise had a duration attached to it. When the patriarchs were told that the land would be theirs forever, God was referring to the great span of time up until the New Testament. Forever simply refers to an age of time whose duration is undetermined. Context, or in the case of prophecies, the fulfillment, must be consulted to know the actual duration of the Hebrew word forever.
After God fulfilled every promise of the covenant, a new covenant went into effect (to be studied in our next lesson). When we understand the meaning of forever, and keep the theme of the Bible in view, the cross of Jesus Christ becomes the end of that duration. The cross of Christ is the end of forever. God gave the full extent of the land promised to Abraham, and Scripture provides no further promise of Israel’s return to that land.
{Ibid. 68. Italics in original. Underlining mine.}
As you’re probably guessing, I take issue with all the phrases I underlined here. Pulliam sure knows how to slow down call-outs of his claims by forcing you to go down multiple rabbit holes in the process! First, which land promise “had a duration attached to it”? Pulliam’s talking about the Abrahamic land promise outlined in Genesis, but the land promise with a duration attached to it was actually the Mosaic land promise made from the burning bush:
The LORD said, “I have surely seen the affliction of My people who are in Egypt, and have given heed to their cry because of their taskmasters, for I am aware of their sufferings. 8 So I have come down to deliver them from the power of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and spacious land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. 9 Now, behold, the cry of the sons of Israel has come to Me; furthermore, I have seen the oppression with which the Egyptians are oppressing them. 10 Therefore, come now, and I will send you to Pharaoh, so that you may bring My people, the sons of Israel, out of Egypt.” (Exodus 3:7-10 1995 NASB, boldface added)
These are two different land promises! That the Mosaic land promise was conditioned on obedience is clear not only from the fact that the Israelites’ progress at obtaining the land was hindered whenever they started rebelling, but also from Leviticus 26:14-45, where God threatens in verse 32 to “make the land desolate” (1995 NASB) if they don’t repent after all the punishments mentioned in the earlier verses–“desolate” being a fancy word for “without inhabitant”. This fact alone differentiates this land promise from the Abrahamic one, which was unconditional: “For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.” (Galatians 3:18 1995 NASB, boldface added) In contrast, “When the patriarchs were told that the land would be theirs forever” refers to the Abrahamic land promise. “[I]n the case of prophecies, the fulfillment[] must be consulted to know the actual duration of the Hebrew word forever.” The problem with this statement is that Pulliam constantly misinterprets how these prophecies were/will be fulfilled!
“After God fulfilled every promise of the covenant, a new covenant went into effect”. Ironically, the author of Hebrews told us that the prophet who told us of the New Covenant denied that himself!
For finding fault, He saith to them, ‘Lo, days come, saith the Lord, and I will complete with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, a new covenant, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day of My taking them by their hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt — because they did not remain in My covenant, and I did not regard them, saith the Lord, — because this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws into their mind, and upon their hearts I will write them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me for a people; and they shall not teach each his neighbour, and each his brother, saying, Know thou the Lord, because they shall all know Me from the small one of them unto the great one of them, because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;’ [Quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34 LXX] — in the saying ‘new,’ He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old is nigh disappearing.
(Hebrews 8:8-13 YLT, boldface and underlining added)
In verse 13, the perfect active indicative verb for “He hath made old” relative to the present active infinitive verb for “saying” tells us that the old (Mosaic) covenant became “old” as soon as God spoke this to Jeremiah! Tim Warner presents some implications of this in a note on the word “new” in Hebrews 8:13 LGV:
By referring to the coming “New Covenant” through Jeremiah, God declared the Mosaic Covenant to become “old” or obsolete in Jeremiah’s day. It did not become “old” when the New Covenant arrived. Note that the Mosaic Covenant was still in force upon Israel even after Christ came, which is why Israel is under the curse of the Law predicted in Deut. 28-30, which included the destruction of Jerusalem and a second exile until the end times. {Scroll to p. 20 in the PDF. Boldface added.}
He goes on to add in his note on the phrase “what is being made old and growing old”: “Notice that becoming old and obsolete was a process over a long period of time, not a single event when Christ brought the New Covenant. It will not become entirely obsolete for Israel until the Kingdom arrives (Matt. 5:17-18)” Indeed, Jesus made this crystal-clear early on in the Sermon on the Mount: “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until [ἕως ἂν, “till whenever”] heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until [ἕως ἂν] all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17-18 1995 NASB, boldface added)
“God gave the full extent of the land promised to Abraham”. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve pointed this out: two divinely-inspired men claimed in the Apostolic period that Abraham himself never inherited the land that God promised to give to him in addition to his seed! “Scripture provides no further promise of Israel’s return to that land”. Maybe if you ignore all the passages dealt with at the hyperlinks in this sentence…
“In verse three, we are told that ‘those who have insight will shine brightly…’ Who does the word those refer to? Back in the preceding chapter, we read about those who have insight among the people (Dan 11:33). ‘Those’ is the logical antecedent in the context. ‘Those’ are the people listening to God ‘in the end,’ and suffering as a result. All of this tells us that Daniel 12 is not about a future resurrection, but about past events following the events in Daniel 11.” No, it tells us that the Jews’ suffering under Antiochus Epiphanes was a type of the suffering that will happen under the Antichrist, and so the two periods of history will have similar requisites for God’s people to remain steadfast through them. Jesus himself invokes a similar concept in Luke 21 when telling the general public at Jerusalem’s second temple (verses 5-8) that escaping its destruction and persevering through the events leading up to it (verses 12-24) and evading/enduring the devastations of the apocalypse (verses 8-11,25-33) will require similar actions on the part of those living through each: “watch ye, then, in every season, praying that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to [or “, the ones that inevitably”; present (obviously a “completely futuristic present”, in light of the context) active participle of μέλλω1] come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” (verse 36 YLT, boldface and underlining added)
“We are told, ‘at that time’ your people ‘will be rescued.’ What comes after the tribulations of the times of the Grecians? At ‘that time’ the people would be rescued. You don’t have to skip forward thousands of years to make up a fulfillment here. There was something that took place which would be characterized as a rescue of God’s people. Jesus came!” Then why does the Hebrew grammatical structure of Daniel 9:26-27 indicate that everything in verse 27 (the 70th “seven”) occurs after the second destruction of Jerusalem prophesied in verse 26 has already happened?! Pulliam’s interpretation that the 70th “seven” coincides with Jesus’ ministry is completely undermined by the Hebrew grammar there!
“It was not a political rescue operation.” Jesus’ first coming wasn’t, but his second certainly will be, in light of another passage Pulliam consistently avoids dealing with:
I kept looking, and that horn [the Antichrist] was waging war with the saints and overpowering them until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom. …Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him. (Daniel 7:21-22,27 1995 NASB, boldface added)
I ask Pulliam yet again: how was “the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven” “given to the people of the saints of the Highest One” at any time since Jesus arrived?!
“As we come to verse two, people tend to assume that the final resurrection is being discussed, but this discussion is of awakening through insight to serve God (v3). It is the same figure of speech used by Paul in Ephesians 5:14. There, Paul admonished living people to “awake” and “arise from the dead,” not at the final resurrection, but by their faithful submission to the gospel. The ‘dust of the ground’ (v2) does not refer to the grave. The time will be one of despondency. Tribulation will conquer the hearts of those without ‘insight.’ Those with insight will ‘awaken’ (by submission) to attain everlasting life.” In Ephesians 5:14, Paul wasn’t quite saying what Pulliam seems to think he was:
For you used to be darkness, but now [you are] light in the Master. Live like children of light, 9 (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10 discerning what is acceptable to the Master. 11 And have no co-participation with the barren deeds of darkness, but instead condemn them. 12 For it is shameful to even mention what is done by those in private. 13 But everything condemned by the light is exposed, for the light is what exposes. 14 That is why He says: “Awake, you who sleep, arise from the dead, and the Anointed One will give you light.” (Ephesians 5:8-14 LGV, italics and content in brackets in original, boldface mine)
Warner points out a divergence of opinion among scholars regarding where “He says” the italicized phrase in verse 14: “Some scholars have suggested that this quotation was from an ancient hymn. Others suggest that it is a paraphrase and adaption of Isaiah 60:1-3.” {Scroll to note indicated at the end of verse 14. Boldface added.} If the latter interpretation is the correct one, then this statement is referring to the still-future Kingdom in its fullness, and Paul was using it as an incentive to submit to the gospel. Since Pulliam’s case depends on this latter interpretation being incorrect, he must provide evidence that the former interpretation Warner mentioned (or some third explanation) is more viable than this one. Otherwise, his interpretation of this verse is just as inconclusive as any alternative one.
“The figure of speech used here is much like the one found in ‘Our bones are dried up, and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.’ (Ezek 37:11). This was the cry of Israel in Babylonian captivity. The Lord’s answer was, ‘Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people: and I will bring you into the land of Israel.’ (v12) They were physically alive, but they felt like their nation was dead.” I’ve already extensively rebutted this excuse here.
“By the time Antiochus Epiphanes finished with Israel, they would feel like they had died and been buried. But then hope awakened, and was thriving as Jesus came with the good news about the kingdom.” At best, this is a type of what will be the case during the 10-day period between the end of the Tribulation and Jesus’ return (1 Corinthians 15:52 cf. Leviticus 25:8-10). Remember, Antiochus Epiphanes will be resuscitated to become the Antichrist, so strong parallels between them are to be expected!
“The phrase ‘abomination of desolation’ is only used twice in the book of Daniel. The first time is in chapter 11 (11:31), and that referred to the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168 B.C. But Jesus tells us that Daniel spoke of an ‘abomination of desolation’ that would accompany the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 (studied in lesson 16). Since Jesus cannot be talking about the one in Daniel 11, He must be talking about the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12. We should also associate this with the ‘desolations’ of Daniel 9:26 (cf. pp202-203).” As just noted, strong parallels between Antiochus Epiphanes & the Antichrist are to be expected, since they’re the same person! And as noted further above, the waw-consecutive construction at the start of Daniel 9:27 places everything in the 70th “seven” after the second destruction of Jerusalem! Moreover, the Hebrew text of verse 26c literally reads “and until the end, war is determined, causing desolations”. As noted above, “desolation” is a state of being devoid of inhabitants; since the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 pertains to God’s dealings with Israel over the 70 “sevens”, this phrase is referring to Israelites having trouble resettling the land due to wars in the area from the second destruction of Jerusalem “until the end”. In what way is this an inaccurate description of what’s actually happened in the Promised Land over the last two millennia?! We can’t even conclusively say the Israelites won’t lose at least part of that land they have in our day in the foreseeable future, due to the political situation in the Middle East!
“Daniel is told that there will be 1,290 days ‘from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up.’ Various interpretations have been presented, but it is important that they apply to Christ’s warning in Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20. The number may be symbolic of the extent of Roman persecution before the city of Jerusalem falls. After the destruction of the city, persecution did continue for a short time, possibly symbolized by the 1,335 days.” “[S]ymbolic of the extent of Roman persecution?” “[S]ymbolized by the 1,335 days”? The way Pulliam’s talking here makes it sound like he doesn’t think these numbers refer to literal days. I must say, I find it intriguing that Pulliam isn’t willing to just outright claim “The Jewish-Roman Wars had been ongoing for 1,290 days when Jerusalem was destroyed”. The only reason I can imagine for why he wouldn’t do so is that he knows that such a claim wouldn’t be historically true. Ditto for the 1,335 days. Moreover, if these are to symbolize the extent of Roman persecution during the Jewish-Roman Wars without referring to literal calendar days, then what’s the significance of the two different values? And since the destruction of Jerusalem was (from a “covenant people” standpoint) a much bigger deal than the destruction of Masada (widely regarded as the last battle of the Jewish-Roman Wars), why would the larger number be after the destruction of Jerusalem, rather than before? Until Pulliam can answer these sorts of questions, he needs to quit trotting out all this unsubstantiated garbage! I, of course, take the 1,290 days as referring to the time from when the Antichrist shows up and kills the Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:7; note the phrase “the beast that is coming up out of the abyss”–YLT, boldface added–implying in conjunction with the word “when” that the Antichrist rises from the dead right before he kills them) until Jesus returns, with the 1,335 days implying a yet-undisclosed event (probably included among the seven thunders or little scroll of Revelation 10:2-4,8-11) occurring 45 days after Jesus returns.
I should also highlight the fact that Pulliam assumed that Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20 were both referring to the second destruction of Jerusalem. The contexts reveal that these were two different speeches (compare Luke 21:1-8,37 with Matthew 24:1-3); but the similarities in language certainly do make it easy for people to assume they’re the same speech, or at the very least, confuse the two speeches. This very mistake (or perhaps ploy?) was also committed by the first known preterist, Eusebius, in one of the earliest statements in all of church history that explicitly teaches preterism (the few earlier ones were also written by Eusebius, and those only go back to A.D. 310):
It is fitting to add to these accounts the true prediction of our Saviour in which he foretold these very events.
His words are as follows: “Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. For there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” [Quoting Matthew 24:19-21]
The historian, reckoning the whole number of the slain, says that eleven hundred thousand persons perished by famine and sword, and that the rest of the rioters and robbers, being betrayed by each other after the taking of the city, were slain. But the tallest of the youths and those that were distinguished for beauty were preserved for the triumph. Of the rest of the multitude, those that were over seventeen years of age were sent as prisoners to labor in the works of Egypt, while still more were scattered through the provinces to meet their death in the theaters by the sword and by beasts. Those under seventeen years of age were carried away to be sold as slaves, and of these alone the number reached ninety thousand.
These things took place in this manner in the second year of the reign of Vespasian, in accordance with the prophecies of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who by divine power saw them beforehand as if they were already present, and wept and mourned according to the statement of the holy evangelists, who give the very words which he uttered, when, as if addressing Jerusalem herself, he said:
“If you had known, even you, in this day, the things which belong unto your peace! But now they are hid from your eyes. For the days shall come upon you, that your enemies shall cast a rampart about you, and compass you round, and keep you in on every side, and shall lay you and your children even with the ground.” [Quoting Luke 19:42-44]
And then, as if speaking concerning the people, he says, “For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Quoting Luke 21:23-24] And again: “When you shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is near.” [Quoting Luke 21:20]
{Eusebius. “Church History”. Book 3, Chapter 7. Italics by Knight. Boldface, underlining, and content in brackets mine.}
The three quotes from Luke were indeed completely fulfilled by the end of the Bar Kochba Rebellion (A.D. 132-135), but mostly in the Jewish-Roman Wars (A.D. 66-73). However, notice that Eusebius substituted a quote from the speech in Luke with one from the speech in Matthew. Had his first quote been simply “Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!”, then it would be a quotation from Luke 21:23–which was indeed referring to the second destruction of Jerusalem. But by adding everything I boldfaced in this quote, he turned it into a quote from Matthew 24:19-21 instead–which was referring to the second half of the apocalypse! But Eusebius’ use of Matthew’s quote instead of Luke’s gives his readers the false impression that Matthew’s speech was talking about the same thing as Luke’s! The boldfaced sentences are nowhere to be found in the Great Temple Discourse (the speech in Luke), so they don’t apply to the second destruction of Jerusalem. The fact that preterists still use this quote from Eusebius (among others) as if he wasn’t misrepresenting what Jesus was saying in Matthew is nothing short of scandalous, if you ask me. This is the same tactic false teachers (the clever ones, at least) use to promote their heresies: they include just enough truth to make their audience miss the lies they throw into the mix.
“Daniel was told that he would ‘rise again’ (Dan 12:13 – NASB). The Hebrew word in this text does not refer to a ‘resurrection.’ It means to ‘stand.’ Daniel is simply being told that he will die (enter into rest) and ‘stand for his lot at the end.’” That underlined sentence, while technically correct, doesn’t disprove as much as Pulliam seems to think it does. The LXX translators rendered that Hebrew word with the verb ἀναστήσῃ, the future middle indicative 2nd-person singular form of ἀνίστημι (anistēmi, G450), which properly means “stand up” or “stand again” (the prefix ἀνά could mean “up” or “again”). However, JP Holding (himself a preterist) points out that this word is used multiple times in the NT in contexts that are, in point of fact (in hindsight, at the very least), referring to resurrections! The word is used thus in: Matthew 12:41, 17:9, 20:19; Mark 8:31, 9:9-10,31, 10:34, 12:23,25, 16:9; Luke 11:32, 16:31, 18:33, 24:7,46; John 6:39,40,44,54, 11:24, 20:9; Acts 2:24, 10:41, 13:33-34, 17:3,31; Romans 14:9, Ephesians 5:14, & 1 Thessalonians 4:14,16 (and this only includes the examples that aren’t debatable!). In fact, the actual Greek word for “resurrection” is the noun form of anistēmi, ἀνάστασις (anastasis, G386)–which thus properly means “a standing up again”. So while anistēmi does have more mundane connotations, it’s completely disingenuous for Pulliam to rule out the idea of “resurrection” just because he doesn’t like it in this context.
“If we keep the word “end” in the context of the events ending with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, we find a logical conclusion to the previous four verses. Daniel was to seal up the prophecy because it pertained to the distant future (12:9; cf. v4). During that time, the prophecies would unfold, and only the wise would accept them (12:10). The climax of tribulation would come, and the faithful must have hope (12:11-12; compare Christ’s warning in Matthew 24:15-22).” Note the conditional nature of that opening statement. Since the condition that these events were to end with the second destruction of Jerusalem is false, the whole line of reasoning is predicated on a false premise. To quote my response to Pulliam’s claim on p. 230 that “They were ‘future’ when John wrote about them, but that was 2,000 years ago. The time was ‘near’ in the first century, and we must look for a fulfillment of these events in the immediate future of its first readers.”:
Then why did every patristic writer of the 1st and 2nd centuries who said anything about eschatology regard events of Revelation 4-22 as still future from their own time? As a representative sampling, see Chapter 16 of the Didache (written in the late 1st or early 2nd century), Chapters 4, 15, & 16 of the Epistle of Barnabas (written sometime between the second destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and the end of the Bar Kochba Rebellion in A.D. 135), the Fourth Vision in Book 1 of the Shepherd of Hermas (written in the 2nd century), Chapters 80 & 81 in Justin Martyr’s “Dialogue with Trypho” (mid-2nd century), and Chapters 25-30 in Book 5 of Irenaeus’ “Against Heresies” (circa A.D. 180). Why would these people have entertained the idea that something even worse than what Christians had already been experiencing under the Romans was still to come, unless that’s what John himself had actually taught? Moreover, since all of these people (with the probable exception of Irenaeus, whose then-deceased teacher Polycarp had been a disciple of John himself) were writing within living memory of John’s own oral teaching, how could they possibly have all departed from his teaching, in the same direction, starting when John died (if not even earlier), despite their geographic separation throughout the Roman empire (the Epistle of Barnabas was written near Alexandria, Egypt, the Shepherd of Hermas in Rome, Dialogue with Trypho in Asia Minor, and Against Heresies in what is now France), and with no trace of any resistance or rebuttal from any of the elders or apologists in contemporary Christendom? In light of all the checks and balances of 1st- and 2nd-century Greco-Roman society (whether inside or outside the church), that’s impossible. {Scroll to “{Also from Lesson 21:}”. Italics, boldface, hyperlinks, and underlining in original.}
As noted above, the earliest patristic writer who espoused any teachings we would now class as “preterist” was Eusebius—and that webpage I just linked to acknowledges that the earliest work in which he does so only dates to A.D. 310. Hence, it’s a later invention, totally foreign to the teachings the Apostles passed on to their own students. Moreover, many if not most of Eusebius’ preterist quotes were written in A.D. 325 or later–and thus were prone to including ideas that flattered Constantine’s preferences. Among these were the idea that the Roman Catholic Church (Christianity as Rome’s state church) was Christ’s Kingdom on Earth. That idea couldn’t possibly be correct if Christ’s Kingdom was still to come—this is the primary reason why Constantine chose amillennialism as the Roman Catholic Church’s official position. It’s likely that Constantine chose Eusebius to write his state-sanctioned history of Christianity in part because Eusebius believed OT prophecies about the Kingdom had already been fulfilled (in the second destruction of Jerusalem)–making it easier to scrounge up support for the view that the Roman Catholic Church was the final manifestation of that Kingdom! Either way, preterists seriously need to be asked: “Why should we trust Eusebius’ interpretation of the Olivet Discourse over that of every last Church Father who came before him?”
“Daniel’s work is done, but this sealed prophecy will stand as a testimony of his work for God. Darby translated this text well with ‘… and thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.’ We assume that ‘thy lot’ would mean Daniel’s final heavenly home, but that is not the point. This verse isn’t about whether Daniel will be saved. This is about the status of Daniel’s work when the time of fulfillment arrives. This is actually about Daniel’s ‘lot’ as a prophet. His work will be confirmed by the fulfillment of these very distinct and specific prophecies about ‘the end.’” Whoa! The Bible never mentions such a distinct concept of one’s “lot as a prophet”! Now Pulliam is resorting to making up concepts out of thin air just to salvage his preconceived notions! He must’ve been desperate to come up with a good-sounding interpretation other than the straightforward one! In truth, this is indeed referring to Daniel’s inheritance in the Kingdom. The use of “lot” in this way derives from how the land of Canaan was divided among the people of Israel by casting lots (Numbers 26:52-56, 33:50-54, 34:13-15; Joshua 13:6, 14:2, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1-2,14-18, 18:6,8,10,11, 19:1,10,17,24,32,40,51, 21:4-6,8,10,20,40; 23:4).
“There is nothing in the latter chapters of Daniel about a future period of tribulation on the earth. A great deal of history can be found in these chapters. None of it addresses our future. Daniel provides a great deal of encouragement to the Bible believer. Many events are prophesied, and it all came to pass without fail. In Daniel’s prophecies we can see God’s omniscient power at work. But we also see that God always keeps His promises. God never fails.” So this time, Pulliam tried to give an excuse for why God would keep a book that supposedly has zero relevance for Christians in the Bible–at least that’s better than he usually does! Of course, he still hasn’t explained how the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:13-14 “came to pass without fail.” As I demonstrated here, the time for which Antiochus Epiphanes “trod[ the 2nd temple] under foot” (verse 13c KJV) wasn’t even half that amount of time! Therefore, more than half of those 2,300 days must still be future from our own time–when the Antichrist does the same with the 3rd temple! Likewise, how can Daniel 9:26-27 be said to have “[come] to pass without fail” if verse 27 was fulfilled chronologically before verse 26, but the Hebrew text explicitly indicates that it was to be the other way around? In truth, verse 27 is referring to the 7-year apocalypse (including the Tribulation in the latter half of it) and Jesus’ return “[i]mmediately after” it (Matthew 24:29a KJV), “the day of the LORD’S vengeance” kicking off “the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion” (Isaiah 34:8 KJV). Pulliam’s idea of “without fail” is pretty messed up, if you ask me.
Revelation 13:3 & 17:11
In Lesson 22, Pulliam wrote the following:
Of great interest in the description of Revelation 17:10-11 is the king who seems to be raised from the dead. How can a king be described as if he “was and is not, is himself also an eighth”? As we look for an explanation, we must remember that who was on the throne only had an effect on the saints in Asia by policies enforced. The best explanation seems to be found in Nero. Nero had severely persecuted Christians. In fact, Nero was the first of the emperors to mount a concerted effort to persecute the people of God. At his death, imperial laws calling for the persecution and death of Christians were abandoned, but were later resurrected in Domitian’s reign. In Domitian, the “fatal wound” would seem to be healed [referencing Revelation 13:3,12] by a revival of persecution. Domitian was the eighth king, but was also one of the seven in the sense that he picked up the persecutions that Nero had previously set in place. It was as if Nero himself had been raised from the dead. Strictly speaking, the “beast” is not the emperor or empire so much as it is the power (dominion) of the empire exerted against Christ’s rule in the hearts of His subjects. So, to summarize: Nero had led the first great persecution against God’s people, and Domitian would lead the second great persecution. Nero’s policy (laws) of cruelty toward God’s people would be resurrected in Domitian. {“In the Days of Those Kings”. 238-239. Boldface and italics in original. Content in brackets mine.}
Once again, Pulliam’s hermeneutic is sickeningly allegorical. It’s so much simpler to just conclude that the Antichrist will be a resuscitation of one of 5 major kings who Satan exploited to the fullest extent possible in efforts to thwart God’s purposes (Revelation 17:3). (Note that I said “5” instead of “7”: Revelation 17:11 refers to the 8th king as someone who already in John’s day “was, and is not”, implying that he was one of the “five [who] did fall”–YLT–by then.) Set aside the fact that Domitian was the 11th emperor of Rome, not the 8th. Pulliam’s making a lot of assertions here about what the Bible was “really” saying in these passages, but let’s remember what Jeff Hamilton of the La Vista Church of Christ in La Vista, Nebraska drove home in an email to me: “an assertion is not a fact.” In light of the Church Fathers before Eusebius unanimously espousing futurism, the burden of proof is on Pulliam to show why they should be totally ignored in favor of Eusebius on this issue. Moreover, can he find a flaw in what I’m teaching through exegesis? After all, the eisegesis he’s giving here–such as reading the notion of policies being revived into statements about the Antichrist’s “deadly wound [being] healed” (Revelation 13:3,12 KJV)–is hardly a legitimate substitute for exegesis.
Moving on to Lesson 23:
The worship of rulers was nothing new to empires at the time of Rome. From ancient times, the Egyptians had considered their pharaohs to be gods. The Macedonian Empire was slow to accept this practice, but eventually came to make it common practice. This made the practice far more natural for Roman emperors and, most importantly, for society in general. Loyalty to the king ended up being proven by participating in the worship of that king. This would become a big problem for Christians who could not worship anyone other than God through Jesus Christ. Augustus did not build temples for his own worship, but this activity was not discouraged in the provinces away from the city of Rome. At the same time, another king was being born in a distant land. Augustus would never know of this King, but the rule of his successors would collide with the rule of the Judean King of the next world empire – Christ.
The first of the Roman persecutions was in the reign of Nero. “…Nero was a cruel man. He murdered two wives, a step-brother and a mother, and condemned others to exile or suicide.” He accused Christians of starting the fire in Rome. As a result, mass executions of Christians took place. His activities left laws on the books which paved the way for later kings. Cornelius Tacitus wrote:
“Nero substituted as culprits, and punished with the utmost refinements of cruelty, a class of men, loathed for their vices, whom the crowd styled Christians. Christus, from whom the name had it’s [sic] origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius. … Vast numbers were convicted, not so much of the crime of arson as for hatred of the human race. And derision accompanied their end: they were covered with wild beasts’ skins and torn to death by dogs; or they were fastened on crosses, or were doomed to the flames to illuminate the night when daylight failed. Nero had thrown open his gardens for the spectacle …”
Since emperors were increasingly being viewed as gods, the potential for the collision of power seemed limitless. Ferguson observed:
“The provincial ruler cult showed some diversity from province to province, but was particularly promoted by Vespasian. The vitality of the imperial cult in the province of Asia during the reign of Domitian provides the setting for the Book of Revelation.”
Domitian was a cruel tyrant, not only to Christians, but also to all who stood in the way of his political goals. By the time he ascended the throne, the emperor cult was a powerful force in Asia, promoting the worship of the emperor by the people.
The power of the imperial cult of Domitian’s day is further shown by Ferguson as he points out what later emperors would experience. As the “Christian emperors,” beginning with Constantine, made Christianity acceptable, they still couldn’t seem to hold citizens back from worshiping them. The result became popes who received honors in much the same way Roman emperors did, including the high standing of being God’s direct representative on earth. This result actually had its beginnings in the days of Domitian.
All of this becomes significant to us because Domitian becomes the beast of Revelation. He would have counted out in the line of kings as the beast of Revelation 17:10-11. Of Domitian, Eusebius tells us:
“Many were the victims of Domitian’s appalling cruelty. At Rome great numbers of men distinguished by birth and attainments were for no reason at all banished from the country and their property confiscated. Finally, he showed himself the successor of Nero in enmity and hostility to God. He was, in fact, the second to organize persecution against us, though his father Vespasian had had no mischievous designs against us.”
Eusebius’ observation that Domitian “showed himself the successor of Nero” is an interesting observation when we think about the head of the beast that was slain, and then came back to life (Rev 13:3 and 17:11).
{Ibid. 243-245. Italics and indentation in original. See also sources cited therein.}
Granted, Pulliam is mostly presenting historical facts this time, rather than his usual bald assertions. However, the way he presents these facts is inconclusive: they’re just as compatible with the already-past persecutions of Nero and the then-current persecutions of Domitian giving the original readers of Revelation some background knowledge for understanding what things would be like during the apocalypse. Moreover, the last italicized quote in the above excerpt comes from Chapter 17 of Book 3 of Eusebius’ “Church History” (as Pulliam cites in his footnotes, albeit with the alternate title “Ecclesiastical History”). We saw above that only 10 chapters earlier in the same book, Eusebius inappropriately mixed quotations from the Olivet Discourse with quotations from the Great Temple Discourse to present the prototype for preterism; moreover, Eusebius had started developing the prototype for preterism over the 15 years before writing “Church History”. So of course he’s going to say things that reinforce the notion of preterism, especially since they simultaneously gave Constantine (who commissioned the writing of “Church History”!) ammunition for claiming that the Roman Catholic Church was Christ’s Kingdom on Earth in its fullest form! (After all, that couldn’t be the case if Jesus was still to come and establish His Kingdom later!)
But let’s give Eusebius the benefit of the doubt here, assuming that he’s talking about history and not eschatology. Pulliam has quote-mined him nonetheless. Notice that Eusebius actually wrote that Domitian “showed himself the successor of Nero in enmity and hostility to God”–not as the resuscitated ruler of Revelation 17:10-11! Ironically, Eusebius goes on immediately after the quote Pulliam mined here to give a detail that undermines Pulliam’s own case for when Revelation was written!
It is said that in this persecution the apostle and evangelist John, who was still alive, was condemned to dwell on the island of Patmos in consequence of his testimony to the divine word.
Irenæus, in the fifth book of his work Against Heresies, where he discusses the number of the name of Antichrist which is given in the so-called Apocalypse of John, speaks as follows concerning him:
“If it were necessary for his name to be proclaimed openly at the present time, it would have been declared by him who saw the revelation. For it was seen not long ago, but almost in our own generation, at the end of the reign of Domitian.”
To such a degree, indeed, did the teaching of our faith flourish at that time that even those writers who were far from our religion did not hesitate to mention in their histories the persecution and the martyrdoms which took place during it.
And they, indeed, accurately indicated the time. For they recorded that in the fifteenth year of Domitian Flavia Domitilla, daughter of a sister of Flavius Clement, who at that time was one of the consuls of Rome, was exiled with many others to the island of Pontia in consequence of testimony borne to Christ.
{Eusebius. “Church History”. Book 3, Chapter 18. Italics by Knight. Boldface, underlining, and content in brackets mine.}
But after Domitian had reigned fifteen years, and Nerva had succeeded to the empire, the Roman Senate, according to the writers that record the history of those days, voted that Domitian’s honors should be cancelled, and that those who had been unjustly banished should return to their homes and have their property restored to them.
It was at this time that the apostle John returned from his banishment in the island and took up his abode at Ephesus, according to an ancient Christian tradition.
{Eusebius. “Church History”. Book 3, Chapter 20, Sections 10-11. Boldface and underlining mine.}
First off, notice that Eusebius’ quote from Irenaeus comes from a section of Irenaeus’ works that I showed Pulliam totally ignores—precisely because it demonstrates that, in the history of Christendom, futurism pre-dates preterism! As for the detail that Domitian banished people to islands “in the fifteenth year of” his reign, this is extremely problematic for Pulliam’s argument for dating Revelation to the year A.D. 71!
Let’s examine the possibility that Revelation was written during the reign of Emperor Vespasian (which is an unpopular view). What if Polycarp had accurately stated that Domitian banished John to Patmos, but Irenaeus assumed that it was during Domitian’s reign as emperor? It is possible that Domitian did that during Emperor Vespasian’s reign. Being told that Nerva released John could have easily led to the assumption that it took place at the end of Domitian’s reign. Domitian exiled John, and Nerva released him, but were the details transmitted accurately?
Upon the death of Nero, the empire was thrown into civil war, as three men quickly rose and fell in their attempts to hold the throne. Vespasian was still out of the country fighting the Jewish War when he was proclaimed king in July, AD 69. He left Jerusalem soon afterward and traveled to Alexandria, possibly to stop grain shipments supplying Rome, where Vitellius was still holding out against fierce opposition. When the power of Vitellius was broken, Vespasian’s younger son (Domitian) took the reigns of the empire with Mucianus. They governed jointly, and Domitian, at one point, even wrote to his older brother (Titus) saying, “I thank you, my son, for permitting me to hold office and that you have not yet dethroned me.” Please notice that Domitian did use the word “dethroned.”
Shortly after Vespasian returned to Rome, Domitian headed to Germany to attempt military conquests of his own, and Nerva was appointed to the consularship (AD 71 – Nerva would later reign as emperor from AD 96-98). If Domitian banished John at the beginning of Vespasian’s reign, it would have been sometime between December 70 to June 71. Eusebius tells us that, according to tradition, John returned to Ephesus “under Nerva.” Would that be during Nerva’s later reign as emperor, or in his position as consul? The two offices could easily have become confused by relating details imprecisely. If Polycarp spoke of Domitian’s and Nerva’s actions without specifying their offices when taking those actions, Irenaeus could easily have assumed their later positions as emperors. Hegesippus may have also been the victim of assumptions.
When we put this together with the details of Revelation 17, there is a case to make for dating Revelation to the reign of Vespasian. The student can find many authors defending the early and late date. This study has chosen to present the unpopular “middle date.” It is more consistent with the literal nature of the explanation given in Revelation 17, but the student must never forget that every view on the exact date is built on a certain amount of assumption. The late date may still be more likely.
{“In the Days of Those Kings”. 228-229. Italics and boldface in original. Underlining mine.}
First off, I’ve already explained that Pulliam’s understanding of Revelation 17 is flat-out wrong, and he even outs himself on this by bringing up that “three men quickly rose and fell in their attempts to hold the throne”, yet completely omitting these men from his “You Are Here” chart! But more importantly, if Pulliam is correct that Polycarp meant Domitian’s time governing jointly with Mucianus, which began in July of A.D. 69, then “the fifteenth year of Domitian” (Eusebius’ words!) would’ve been in A.D. 83-84–at which point the Emperor of Rome wouldn’t have been Vespasian, but Domitian himself! Also notice that his remark that “Eusebius tells us that, according to tradition, John returned to Ephesus ‘under Nerva.’” references that last quote from Eusebius I just brought out above. This is particularly damning: Pulliam is accepting Eusebius’ “It was at this time” claim in Section 11 of Chapter 20, while rejecting the “fifteen years” figure and the qualification of Nerva’s succession as “to the empire” in Section 10 of that same chapter! Those details in Section 10 make it clear that the “fifteen years” Eusebius spoke of were Domitian’s reign as Emperor in A.D. 81-96, ending when Nerva became Emperor. There’s no way around it: Pulliam is arbitrarily cherry-picking historical statements that can be twisted to support preterism, while ignoring the mountain of data against it–including statements from the immediate contexts of the quotes he twists!
A couple of quotes from Tim Warner seem very appropriate to repeat here. The former highlights that there was never any debate over the date of Revelation until preterism started becoming a mainstream view (because the presumption of preterism is the only reason anyone has to date Revelation earlier!), and the latter highlights an example of the late Dr. Leslie McFall utilizing the same kinds of methodologies Pulliam does:
The date of the writing of Revelation has been hotly disputed by preterists. Until the last century, Christian tradition has placed John’s exile to Patmos during the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81-96).
… All ancient sources, both Christian and secular, place the banishment of Christians to Patmos during the reign of Domitian (AD81-96). Not a single early source (within 500 years of John) places John’s banishment under the reign of Nero [including Eusebius, the only ante-Nicene preterist!], as preterists claim. All modern attempts to date Revelation during Nero’s reign rely exclusively on alleged internal evidence, and ignore or seek to undermine the external evidence and testimony of Christians who lived about that time, some of whom had connections to John.
… While Eusebius quoted Irenaeus’ statement, notice that he also indicated that other secular histories at his disposal accurately indicated the banishment of Christians to Patmos occurred during Domitian’s reign. [Look again at the above quote from Chapter 18 of Book 3 of “Church History”]
… From this account [recorded by Clement of Alexandria] we see that upon John’s release from exile on Patmos, he was a feeble old man. John could have been in his teens or twenties when Jesus called him. He and his brother James were working with their father as fishermen (Matt. 4:21-22). Assuming John was in his twenties, he would have been in his eighties in AD96. If he was in his teens when Jesus called him, he would have been in his seventies at the end of Domitian’s reign. However, if the “tyrant” referred to by Clement was Nero, then John would have still been fairly young by the time of Nero’s death, perhaps in his forties, fifties, or early sixties. He would hardly be spoken of as a feeble old man by Clement.
That John lived until after the reign of Domitian is also shown by Irenaeus’ repeated references to his own mentor, Polycarp, being John’s disciple. Polycarp was born in AD65, and died in AD155. He was five years old when Jerusalem was destroyed. He was two years old when Nero died. His being tutored by John therefore must have been at least a decade after the destruction of Jerusalem, and more likely two or three decades afterward.
More than one early writer mentioned the persecution of the Apostles under Nero. They spoke of the martyrdom of Peter and Paul, but made no mention of John’s exile during this persecution.
As is obvious to the unbiased reader, the early external evidence that Revelation was written under the reign of Domitian is indisputable. No evidence exists, from the first three centuries of Christian tradition, placing the composition of Revelation during the reign of Nero. Nor is there any evidence (Christian or secular) that Nero exiled any Christians to Patmos.
… The preterist’s attempts to date Revelation before the destruction of Jerusalem fail on both internal and external evidence. This failure is indicative of their whole system, which is forced upon the Scriptures, and in this case, upon history as well. Preterist scholarship on this question is clearly agenda driven.
{Content in parentheses in original. Boldface and content in brackets mine. Excerpts are from throughout the article at the first hyperlink, which also contains numerous patristic quotations reinforcing the point (including some from Victorinus & Clement of Alexandria that I haven’t quoted elsewhere), and a discussion about why the mentions of the Temple throughout Revelation don’t require it to have still been standing when the book was written.}
Not only does Dr. McFall disagree with all of these “first time readers,” [expert sources on the topic under discussion–including the vast majority of Rabbis throughout history, the Jewish Encyclopedia, the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, and the Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament–who agree with the very thing McFall was criticizing Warner for claiming] but it is apparent that he is using a double standard. He argues that the “calendar year” always begins in the Spring. Yet, in his own work on the chronology of the kings of Israel and Judah he acknowledged that the calendar year for kings of Judah was autumn to autumn.
“First, Israel and Judah did not use the same calendar. The New Year began in September (Tishri) in Judah, but in Nisan (March/April) in Israel. Because their New Year’s days were six months apart this will often account for the synchronisms between them being one year out.”
Dr. McFall has no problem arguing for two distinct, overlapping calendars 6 months apart when it suits him. Yet, he claims just the opposite in his critique of my work: “There was not a separate civil calendar running side by side with the religious calendar in Israel [in the original context, McFall was referring to the northern and southern kingdoms], with a six-month difference between their commencements. There was only one calendar.”
… Dr. McFall, in supporting the work of Edwin R. Thiele in dating the kings, insists that the autumn to autumn year was used in the southern kingdom of Judah, but a spring to spring calendar was used in the northern kingdom of Israel. Nothing in Scripture directly indicates that the northern kingdom ever used a spring to spring calendar. This is a scheme used by Thiele to try to bring forced harmony between the reigns of the kings of Judah and Israel and align the secular dates. However, the new spring to spring calendar adopted at the time of the exodus was clearly intended for calculating all the Feasts, when all males were required to return to Jerusalem to worship three times a year. It was a special calendar for use by the priests at the Temple in Jerusalem. Yet, when the dispute over Solomon’s successor began, and the northern kingdom split away from Judah, Jeroboam immediately abandoned all Temple worship at Jerusalem, the Levitical priesthood, and all of the festivals delivered by Moses. Jeroboam instituted his own sacred feast in November (1 Kings 12:25-33). In order to consolidate his power over the northern kingdom, he did everything in his power to keep his people from observing the sacred year (spring to spring). Why then would his government use that very calendar to date his reign and the kings that followed him? It seems that Dr. McFall is simply juggling his calendars in whatever way suits his purposes at the moment.
{Scroll to p. 3 & Footnote 9 on p. 5 of the PDF at the second hyperlink. Indentation, italics and content in parentheses in original. Boldface, underlining, and content in brackets mine.}
Anyone who uses selective history and double standards to make their case is not to be taken seriously. This is the kind of intellectually-dishonest garbage that evolutionists pounce on to caricature creationists in general as quote-miners. And to think Pulliam had the balls to say I’m “not qualified to teach… about this”.
Revelation 20 & 6
Next, we get to Lesson 24, where Pulliam tackles the passage that amillennialists are so called for their attempts to explain away:
Before we discuss the 1,000 year reign of Revelation, it is important that we understand the resurrections involved. In particular, we are told:
“4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power; but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.”
(Revelation 20:4-6)
{“In the Days of Those Kings”. 228-229. Italics and indentation in original. Boldface and underlining mine.}
Sorry to interrupt Pulliam’s diatribe here, but as long as he just quoted the key passage from the 1995 NASB, I think it’s wise to quote it from the LGV for comparison, along with Warner’s Notes that expose the problems it poses for amillennialism and dispensationalism alike:
4 And I observed thrones and those seated on them, and authority to judge was given to them. And the souls448 of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, even because of the Logos of God,449 who did not worship the beast or his image and did not receive the mark on their forehead or on their hand, they also come to life450 and reign with the Anointed a thousand years.451 5 (But the rest of the dead do not come to life until the thousand years should expire). This is the first resurrection.452 6 Blessed and holy is the one having a part in the first resurrection. Over these the second death has no power, but they shall be priests453 of God and of the Anointed, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
448 The martyrs, see Rev. 6:9-11
449 Rev. 19:13
450 The verb translated “came to life” is used both of the dead (beheaded) raised before the 1000 years and those raised after the 1000 years (v. 5), indicating a resurrection of the body in both cases. Amillennialists claim that the “first resurrection” is spiritual and refers to conversion, but the repetition of the verb (came to life) requires the same kind of action both before and after the millennium. If the “first resurrection” refers to conversion, then this passage speaks of dead (beheaded) people being converted after death, after resisting the Beast “because of the testimony of Jesus,” meaning they did so while unconverted. Likewise it requires universal salvation because “the rest of the dead” leaves none out of the second event of coming to life.
451 Many translations give the impression that only the martyrs are raised at the first resurrection. However, the text distinguishes the martyrs of the tribulation from the larger group of faithful holy ones who John saw seated on thrones.
452 This statement rules out a pretribulation resurrection. (Compare 1 Cor. 15:22-25).
453 Peter stated that believers are now being prepared for a future priesthood, so they may offer sacrifices to God on behalf of the people. “You also, as living stones, are being constructed [into] a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus the Anointed one.” (1 Peter 2:5 LGV). Hebrews concurs: “How much greater the blood of the Anointed one, Who offered Himself flawless to God through the age-enduring Breath, will cleanse your conscience from dead acts unto what is to be divine service to the living God!” (Heb. 9:14 LGV).
{Scroll to p. 42-43 in the PDF. Superscript and italics in original. Boldface mine.}
First off, it’s important to note that the second instance of the phrase “I saw” in the 1995 NASB (and most other English translations, for that matter!) of verse 4 was added by the translators; this addition changes the English sentence structure in a way that makes it more natural to render the phrase καὶ ἔζησαν into English as “and they came to life” (giving the impression that only Tribulation martyrs are resurrected at this time) instead of “they also came to life” (which makes it more explicit that these martyrs are a subset of all the people resurrected at that time). The claim that the “first resurrection” refers to conversion seems to be the majority interpretation among amillennialists, and I’d like to add that the additional claim that “Over these the second death has no power” would imply the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved, because the mere event of conversion would then make them immune to the second death! Dispensationalism doesn’t fare any better, since verse 5’s ruling out of a pretribulation resurrection also rules out a pretribulation rapture, since the rapture includes the resurrection of already-deceased saints (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16)!
However, to Pulliam’s credit, he’s come up with an alternative interpretation that manages to avoid all these problems:
The first resurrection is described in verse 4. A specific group comes to life and reigns with Christ. Verse five calls this the “first resurrection,” and pronounces its participants blessed, because the second death has no power over them.
Since we have a “first resurrection” described, we should expect another resurrection. Verse five tells us of this one, saying the rest of the dead do not come to life until after the 1,000 year reign, so there are two resurrections being considered. One is at the beginning of the thousand year reign, and the other is at the end. The question before us is, should we understand these resurrections to be literal or symbolic resurrections?
The admonition of Revelation is, “Overcome!” It closes the message to each of the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3. The enemies of the Lamb will have that same goal as they war against the saints. The beast will seem to have overcome the witnesses (Rev 11:7), but they will rise (Rev 11:11f). The beast will war against the saints in an effort to overcome them (Rev 13:7). In Revelation 19, the Lamb overcomes His enemies, and it is on this basis that the saints may overcome to inherit God’s blessings. Someone will overcome before this book is finished. Revelation 20:4 is presenting the outcome for the saints, not the outcome for the Lamb. You must assume that Christ is not yet reigning before the battle of chapter 19 to conclude that He begins to reign in this text. Jesus had already overcome and sat down with His Father on His throne before the events of Revelation began. The reader is admonished to overcome so he also may sit with Jesus on His throne (Rev 3:21). This same concept is stated in other terms that involve authority and life (Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26f; 3:5, 11f).
This is about the saints getting to the throne. This is about the saints reigning. And all of it is dependent on the defeat of Satan’s ally — Rome. For this reign to begin, the saints who will reign must come to life. In what way do they come to life? If Revelation was like Paul’s epistles, we might be justified in thinking this was a bodily (physical) resurrection. But the great amount of symbolism in Revelation must make us cautious.
In Revelation 6:9, these saints who come to life were portrayed as beneath an altar. There, they are described as having “been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.” They cried out for a judging and an avenging (Rev 6:10). The cry of the martyrs is the same concept as that expressed by God in Genesis 4:10. Justice must be served. We are not being told that the saints are out for their own comfort, nor is it an avenging of themselves. They were slain “because of” something bigger than themselves – the cause of the Lamb. This great cause to which they had committed their lives cried out for vengeance. This altar in heaven becomes a connecting point between the death of the saints and heavenly justice (see Rev 8:3, 5; 9:13; 11:1; 14:18; 16:7).
When John sees the “souls of those who had been beheaded” (Rev 20:4), he is seeing “the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained” (Rev 6:9). They had overcome.
Smyrna was told that overcoming would spare them from “the second death” (Rev 2:11). At the end of the book, “the second death” has no power over the one who is a partaker in the first resurrection (Rev 20:6). In some way, the first resurrection must be related to overcoming. The same may be said of reigning with Christ. We all would agree that they come to life to reign with Christ. Laodicea was assured that overcoming would grant the blessing of reigning with Christ (Rev 3:21). The first resurrection is directly related to those who had died because of their faithful service to Jesus. The logical conclusion would be, the first resurrection is the resurrection of the Lamb’s cause by the defeat of Satan’s cause.
If the first resurrection is the resurrection of a cause, then we should expect the same for “the rest of the dead” (Rev 20:5). After 1,000 years, Satan will be released and bring a final concerted effort against God’s cause (20:7f). He had previously been restrained from deceiving the nations (Rev 20:3). Now he will be capable of doing so again. In what way are “the rest of the dead raised”? They are “raised” in the resurrection of Satan’s cause, for which they had died. The dead raised at this time are the forces from Revelation 19:21, but it is not a bodily resurrection. Satan’s initial cause was defeated and God’s cause prevailed. At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be allowed to revive his evil cause (portrayed as a resurrection), by deceiving the nations as he once did.
To summarize, the first resurrection is the revival of the Lamb’s cause by the defeat of Satan’s assault on the Lamb’s kingdom. Satan used Rome to seduce the saints, which was an attack on the hearts of the saints. Remember that the hearts of the saints is the kingdom over which Christ rules.
The second resurrection is the resurrection of Satan’s cause, which will be a final effort to defeat the Lamb’s kingdom. Satan will be loosed, and in some way set out to deceive the nations. This will bring human history to a conclusion, as the Lord ushers in eternity with his faithful subjects.
{“In the Days of Those Kings”. 258-261. Italics and boldface in original.}
Well, I’ll give Pulliam this much: he’s actually putting forth a good attempt at exegesis for once! It’s almost like he put more thought into Lesson 24 than the other 23 Lessons combined! However, while it avoids all the problems Warner points out with the mainstream interpretations, it still has its own problems.
As they stand, I agree with everything in the first two paragraphs. It’s not until the third paragraph that we start running into problems. The first sentences I want to deal with here are as follows: “You must assume that Christ is not yet reigning before the battle of chapter 19 to conclude that He begins to reign in this text. Jesus had already overcome and sat down with His Father on His throne before the events of Revelation began.” This would be a problem for someone who claims Jesus isn’t reigning at all yet, but that’s a straw-man as far as my position is concerned. I’ve lost count of how many times in this series I’ve pointed out that the Hebrew text of Psalm 110:1 makes it clear that Jesus isn’t sitting on the throne of David while at his Father’s side, but will acquire it once he’s left the Father’s side! Then again, the Apostles themselves quoted this verse more times than any other in their writings, so at least I’m in good company!
“The reader is admonished to overcome so he also may sit with Jesus on His throne (Rev 3:21). This same concept is stated in other terms that involve authority and life (Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26f; 3:5, 11f).” However, Pulliam has overlooked something important in that first verse he cites: “The one being victorious, I will permit him to sit with Me on My throne as I also was victorious and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21 LGV, red text in original, boldface and underlining added {scroll to p. 9 in the PDF.}) This tells us that Jesus meant the one who would overcome would sit on Jesus’ throne in the same way that Jesus is presently seated on his Father’s throne! If believers aren’t to sit on literal thrones in the Kingdom, then neither is Jesus sitting on a literal throne at his Father’s right side! And, of course, the contrapositive is also true (because that’s how it works in the world of logic): If Jesus is sitting on a literal throne at his Father’s right side at present, then the faithful will also be allowed to sit on literal thrones once the Kingdom arrives! Good luck allegorizing your way out of this one, Pulliam (oops, I don’t believe in luck; too bad for Pulliam)!
“This is about the saints getting to the throne. This is about the saints reigning. And all of it is dependent on the defeat of Satan’s ally — Rome. For this reign to begin, the saints who will reign must come to life.” Despite his deliberate ignorance of how “the saints [are] reigning”, I pretty much agree with these statements as worded, except the part where he seemingly limits Satan’s allies to Rome, while ignoring everyone else Satan takes advantage of to lead people astray–whether at present, or during the apocalypse. “In what way do they come to life? If Revelation was like Paul’s epistles, we might be justified in thinking this was a bodily (physical) resurrection. But the great amount of symbolism in Revelation must make us cautious.” Ah, Pulliam’s busting out the old “symbolism exists in the Bible; therefore, I’ll play fast-and-loose with which parts to take symbolically” excuse. A classic among amillennialists (not that dispensationalists are that much better at resisting the urge to use it).
“In Revelation 6:9, these saints who come to life were portrayed as beneath an altar. There, they are described as having ‘been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.’ They cried out for a judging and an avenging (Rev 6:10). The cry of the martyrs is the same concept as that expressed by God in Genesis 4:10. Justice must be served. We are not being told that the saints are out for their own comfort, nor is it an avenging of themselves. They were slain ‘because of’ something bigger than themselves – the cause of the Lamb. This great cause to which they had committed their lives cried out for vengeance. This altar in heaven becomes a connecting point between the death of the saints and heavenly justice (see Rev 8:3, 5; 9:13; 11:1; 14:18; 16:7).” Apart from the underlined phrases, I completely agree with what Pulliam has said here, although there are a couple other details I’d like to bring out. I mentioned in an earlier post that every proof-text offered for the Heavenly Destiny concept makes at least one of three basic mistakes: (1) they read more into the text than is warranted, (2) they overlook key prepositions, or (3) they otherwise overlook nuances of the Greek phrasing. I can see someone using Revelation 6:9-11 as such a proof-text, so I might as well kill two birds with one stone here by refuting attempts to use it as such while explaining what Pulliam is getting wrong in those phrases I underlined.
The notion that this passage is teaching a Heavenly Destiny for the faithful falls into the first category I just mentioned: reading more into the text than is warranted. Notice that Revelation 6:1-8 is allegorical (which we can tell by cross-referencing it with Zechariah 1:8-17 & 6:1-8–where the imagery is drawn from, and in which the imagery is explicitly said to represent things; i.e., they’re allegorical). So we shouldn’t be surprised if verses 9-11 turn out to also be allegorical! Hence, this passage doesn’t teach that Christians go to Heaven between their death and their resurrection! On the contrary, the allegory is, as Pulliam acknowledges, harking back to Genesis 4:10; yet, he seems to have overlooked a critical detail in that verse: “He said, ‘What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground.’” (1995 NASB, boldface and underlining added)–Not “your brother”, but “your brother’s blood”. Likewise, Genesis 4:10 LXX has the phrasing φωνὴ αἵματος τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ σου (“A voice of blood of the brother of yours”). Why’s the Septuagint’s phrasing relevant? Because Pulliam starts his quotation of Revelation 6:9 just after John mentions that he saw “underneath the altar the souls of those who had…” (1995 NASB, boldface added). The Greek word for “souls”, ψυχὰς, is the accusative plural feminine form of ψυχή, which means “life” in its literal sense or “soul” in its figurative sense. And this word is explicitly linked with blood (Greek αἷμα) in some critical passages in the Septuagint:
But flesh with blood of life (αἵματι ψυχῆς) ye shall not eat. For your blood of your lives (τὸ ὑμέτερον αἷμα τῶν ψυχῶν ὑμῶν) will I require at the hand of all wild beasts, and I will require the life of man at the hand of his brother man. (Genesis 9:4-5 BLXX, boldface added)
For the life (ψυχὴ) of flesh is its blood (αἷμα), and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for [literally, “concerning”; the preposition is περὶ] your souls (τῶν ψυχῶν ὑμῶν); for its blood (αἷμα) shall make atonement for [literally, “in place of”; the preposition is ἀντὶ] the soul (ψυχῆς). … For the blood of all flesh is its life [literally, “For the life (ψυχὴ) of all flesh is blood (αἷμα) of it]; and I said to the children of Israel, Ye shall not eat the blood (αἷμα) of any flesh, for the life (ψυχὴ) of all flesh is its blood (αἷμα): every one that eats it shall be destroyed. (Leviticus 17:11,14 BLXX, boldface added)
Hence, it wasn’t “This great cause to which they had committed their lives” that “cried out for vengeance”–it was the martyrs’ blood! Leviticus also gives us some insight into why the martyrs’ blood is portrayed as being “underneath the altar”. As Warner explains:
The altar mentioned here is the bronze altar of sacrifice which was outside the Temple. In Heb. 9:11-15, 23-28, Jesus is portrayed as the once-for-all sacrifice, shedding His blood on the land but afterwards entering the celestial Temple with His own blood, just as the High Priest entered the Holy of Holies on Yom Kippur. In Temple imagery, the martyrs follow in Jesus’ footsteps, shedding their blood on the bronze altar (on the land). The blood both [sic] man and beast is called their “souls” (Gen. 9:4-5; Lev. 17:11-14). Jesus offered His own “soul” as a sacrifice for our sins (Isa. 53:10,11,12). Animal sacrifices were killed in the Temple courtyard by having their throats cut, and the ψυχὴ (soul/blood) was caught and poured out at the base of the altar (Lev. 4:7,18,34; Lev. 5:9). Thus, the “soul/blood” belonging to the martyrs is portrayed as “under the altar.” {Boldface added. Scroll to the Note for the word “altar” on p. 14 of the PDF.}
We now see that it’s the blood of the martyrs throughout history (after all, Abel himself was being included here–remember, Jesus portrayed Abel as the prototype martyr in Matthew 23:35) that’s crying out for vengeance in Revelation 6 (as Pulliam himself acknowledges just a few pages later–“These martyrs are told to rest a little while longer until their blood is avenged. There are fellow servants who will also be slain for the word of God before their cry can be answered. This is the principle of God avenging the blood of the saints. …The point is that justice must eventually prevail. Their blood cries out for vengeance.” {“In the Days of Those Kings”. 265. Boldface in original.}!), rather than “the cause of the Lamb”. So, as far as Pulliam’s claim that “The logical conclusion would be, the first resurrection is the resurrection of the Lamb’s cause by the defeat of Satan’s cause” is concerned: this conclusion isn’t “logical”, it’s a non-sequitur! Pulliam is trying to impose a connection between blood and “causes” that isn’t even hinted at in the text.
“When John sees the ‘souls of those who had been beheaded’ (Rev 20:4), he is seeing ‘the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained’ (Rev 6:9). They had overcome.” This is the problem with the phrase “these saints who come to life” I underlined above. The “souls of those who had been beheaded” in Revelation 20:4 refers only to the faithful who are beheaded during the Tribulation, in light of all the other qualifiers of those referred to as “beheaded” in Revelation 20:4, “those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, even because of the Logos of God, [and] who did not worship the beast or his image and did not receive the mark on their forehead or on their hand” (LGV, boldface added; the word in brackets is present in the Greek text, but Warner omitted it for some reason). The Greek phrase for what I boldfaced here opens with καὶ οἵτινες οὐ προσεκύνησαν (“and which worshiped [literally, “kissed in reverence”; the verb could be used for a dog licking its master’s hand] not”); there’s no definite article here, so rendering it “and those who”, as if what follows refers to a distinct group, is unwarranted.
“Smyrna was told that overcoming would spare them from ‘the second death’ (Rev 2:11). At the end of the book, ‘the second death’ has no power over the one who is a partaker in the first resurrection (Rev 20:6). In some way, the first resurrection must be related to overcoming. The same may be said of reigning with Christ. We all would agree that they come to life to reign with Christ. Laodicea was assured that overcoming would grant the blessing of reigning with Christ (Rev 3:21). The first resurrection is directly related to those who had died because of their faithful service to Jesus. The logical conclusion would be, the first resurrection is the resurrection of the Lamb’s cause by the defeat of Satan’s cause.” I’ve refuted the claims in the last two sentences in the course of the foregoing, so no need to rehash those points. As for “We all would agree that they come to life to reign with Christ”, I’m seriously starting to wonder just how much more disingenuous Pulliam can get. What will reigning with Christ look like? Pulliam never says, not even in the section of Lesson 24 that’s straight-up titled “Reigning With Christ” (which I’ll get to below, just for kicks)!
“If the first resurrection is the resurrection of a cause, then we should expect the same for “the rest of the dead” (Rev 20:5). After 1,000 years, Satan will be released and bring a final concerted effort against God’s cause (20:7f). He had previously been restrained from deceiving the nations (Rev 20:3). Now he will be capable of doing so again. In what way are “the rest of the dead raised”? They are “raised” in the resurrection of Satan’s cause, for which they had died. The dead raised at this time are the forces from Revelation 19:21, but it is not a bodily resurrection. Satan’s initial cause was defeated and God’s cause prevailed. At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be allowed to revive his evil cause (portrayed as a resurrection), by deceiving the nations as he once did.” Since we’ve already seen that the “cause” language he’s trying to force into the text is based on a false premise, the claims I’ve underlined here are dead on arrival. Hence, Pulliam’s claim that “The dead raised at this time are the forces from Revelation 19:21, but it is not a bodily resurrection” is a mere assertion. Once again, an assertion is not a fact.
Moreover, Revelation 19:21 occurs at the start of the Millennium, not the end of it. We can tell this from the context and the earlier passages it harks back to:
And I observed one messenger, standing in {front of} the sun. And he called with a loud voice to all the birds flying in mid–sky, saying: “Come, assemble together for the great feast from God, {Ezekiel 39:17-20} 18 so that you may eat flesh of kings, flesh of captains, flesh of strong men, flesh of horses and their riders, and flesh of all, free and slave, small and great.” 19 And I observed the beast and the kings of the land and their armies having been brought together {cf. Revelation 16:12-16} to do battle against the One sitting on the horse and against His army. 20 And the beast was captured, and [along] with it the false prophet {cf. Revelation 13:11-18} who performed signs before it, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive {2 Thessalonians 2:8} into the lake of fire burning with sulfur. 21 And the rest {2 Thessalonians 1:9-10} were slain with the sword proceeding from the mouth of the One sitting on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves with their flesh. (Revelation 19:17-21 LGV {scroll to p. 41-42 in the PDF}, content in brackets in original, boldface and content in curly brackets mine)
This clearly times Revelation 19:21 to when the Antichrist is thrown in the Lake of Fire, which happens when Jesus returns (Joel 2:20, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,8-9).
“Satan used Rome to seduce the saints, which was an attack on the hearts of the saints. Remember that the hearts of the saints is the kingdom over which Christ rules.” Another false premise I’ve already disproven elsewhere. The kingdom over which Christ currently rules is the Heavenly Dominions, which doesn’t just include the faithful, but also any institutions they submit to Christ, like their congregations, households, seminaries, parachurch organizations, etc. {Scroll to “Ephesians 1:20-23”.}; not to mention angels and demons (Ephesians 6:12, where the Greek phrase at the end of the verse, en tois epouraniois, constrains the verse to applying only to things “in the heavenly dominions“).
And another thing: what’s the revival of Satan’s cause supposed to be in Pulliam’s system? While he simply says on p. 261 that “Satan will be loosed, and in some way set out to deceive the nations”, he says more about this near the end of the Lesson–but not that much more!
Details concerning the end of the great period called 1,000 years are lacking. Satan will be released, he will deceive the nations, they will come up against the saints, God will destroy them, and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire. In what way will they come up against the saints? What form will the deception take? Are the forces drawn up in physical battle array, or are they waging a spiritual warfare? Will the “first shot” be “fired” before the Lord stops everything? Are we justified in relating this event with the description of II Thessalonians 2? Will it be obvious that this passage is fulfilled while it is occurring, or will it only become obvious in looking back upon those events?
There are many questions and most people have definite opinions. We must not forget that the book of Revelation is not about clearly describing final events for us to recognize them. The book of Revelation was about the conflict which would soon take place. If God had wanted us to have signs to watch for, He would have described this future time in greater detail. Instead, He has given a simple and brief description of Satan’s final effort, and most importantly, the fact that it cannot prevail. Whatever may take place at the end, God’s people can trust Him to accomplish His will, and provide for their salvation. {“In the Days of Those Kings”. 265-266. Boldface and italics in original. Underlining mine.}
So, Pulliam’s response to all the legitimate questions he raises is… to not respond?! He leaves all these questions open, as if the Bible doesn’t answer them and all attempts at answering them are “definite opinions”, but this is supremely disingenuous. The key is in verse 8 of Revelation 20 mentioning “Gog and Magog” (KJV), which Scripture only mentions together elsewhere in Ezekiel 38-39. Remember, the readers of Revelation were expected to be well-versed in Old Testament prophecies, so they could interpret all the allusions to them in light of their original contexts as well as how John’s vision connected them together. So, while Pulliam concedes that “If God had wanted us to have signs to watch for, He would have described this future time in greater detail”, the fact of the matter is that God DID describe “this future time in greater detail”! Pulliam’s willful ignorance of that fact is exclusively due to his acceptance of the mistaken premise that no prophecies in the OT remain unfulfilled. And, even more embarrassingly for Pulliam, ALL the questions I underlined in the quote above are answered in the Ezekiel passage!
“In what way will they come up against the saints?” “Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh [better, “of the land of Magog, chief prince of”], Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him… After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations [literally, “from many peoples”] to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were [literally, “it was”] brought out from the nations [literally, “from peoples”], and they are living securely, all of them. You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.” (Ezekiel 38:2,8-9 1995 NASB, boldface added) Verse 9 speaks for itself.
“What form will the deception take?” “Thus says the Lord GOD, ‘It will come about on that day, that thoughts [literally, “words”] will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan, and you will say, “I will go up against the land of unwalled villages [or “open regions”]. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world [literally, “living upon the navel of the land”; this likely refers to the river of the water of life flowing out of Jesus’ throne in Jerusalem’s Temple (Ezekiel 47:1-12, Revelation 22:1), the physical wellspring of the restored Earth’s nourishment, like a baby’s umbilical cord feeding it and sustaining it in the womb through its navel].” ‘Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages [following ancient versions; MT has “Tarshish and all her young lions”] will say to you, “Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?”’” (Ezekiel 38:10-13 1995 NASB, boldface added) Satan will plant thoughts in these people’s heads, deceiving them into thinking the restored Jerusalem and everyone in it are sitting ducks ripe for plunder, just because they have no physical security measures whatsoever!
“Are the forces drawn up in physical battle array, or are they waging a spiritual warfare?” “Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.” (Ezekiel 38:14-16 1995 NASB, boldface added) Sure sounds like physical battle array!
“Will the “first shot” be “fired” before the Lord stops everything?” “It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord GOD, “that My fury will mount up in My anger. In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake [or “shaking”] in the land of Israel. The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse [literally, “fall”] and every wall will fall to the ground. I will call for a sword against him [Gog] on all My mountains,” declares the Lord GOD. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential [literally, “an overflowing”] rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 38:18-23 1995 NASB, boldface added) Apparently, the “first shot” will be fired at a fellow evildoer, after YHWH begins intervening, but before He “stops everything”!
“Are we justified in relating this event with the description of II Thessalonians 2?” Absolutely not. The deception mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 occurs under the Antichrist, who will be thrown in the Lake of Fire when Jesus returns (Revelation 19:11,20) at the start of the Millennium (Revelation 21:1-5, cf. 20:1-6)2. In contrast, Ezekiel 38:8 refers to “the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many [peoples] to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but [it was] brought out from the [peoples], and they are living securely, all of them”, and verse 11 has Gog referring to it as “the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates”–this can only be Christ’s Kingdom in full swing! Moreover, even within Revelation 20, the context opens by telling us that this happens “When the thousand years are completed” (verse 7a 1995 NASB)! Come to think of it, doesn’t Pulliam think the Antichrist is a past individual, rather than a future one? And that the Millennium is happening now, not in the future? How could this future deception of Revelation 20:7-10 possibly be linked with the past deception of 2 Thessalonians 2 under his scheme? Isn’t Pulliam contradicting himself (yet again) by claiming that the Bible gives us no way to answer the question of whether they’re linked? Pulliam seriously should’ve put more thought into which statements he chose to keep in his final publication!
“Will it be obvious that this passage is fulfilled while it is occurring, or will it only become obvious in looking back upon those events?” “It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog. … The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. … With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, [an overflowing] rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the LORD.”’ (Ezekiel 38:16,20,22-23 1995 NASB, boldface and underlining added) Yeah, the fulfillment is gonna be pretty obvious in the moment!
Six questions about these events that Pulliam claims the Bible doesn’t answer. All six answered in Ezekiel 38. If Pulliam was trying to highlight something about the future that the Bible leaves us in the dark about, he could hardly have chosen a worse example!
Then again, Pulliam also includes a discussion on the passage from Revelation 19 I used to answer his 5th question. Since he brings it up in the course of his discussion titled “Reigning With Christ”, let’s tackle it all at once here:
When people read this passage, they automatically read “a reign of Christ upon the earth” into the message. This text is not about the reign of Christ, however. If you will read that text very carefully, you will see that it is actually about the reign of the martyrs with Christ. That is very important. That is exactly where this entire book has been headed from the beginning. It is obvious that Jesus Christ is reigning, but that is not the point! Jesus Christ was already reigning. Of vital importance, is the way this whole affair has turned out for cause [sic] of the Lamb. That is most easily seen by reading Revelation 2 and 3, then skipping straight to Revelation 20. When you do that, it helps focus this book on the results for the saints, rather than allow Revelation to become a “textbook” on Jesus getting a millennial throne.
There is no doubt that Revelation 20 told early saints that a thousand year reign would take place. No one denies that. The debate begins when we start talking about what the thousand year reign refers to. Dispensationalism wants to make it a literal reign of Jesus upon earth, in the city of Jerusalem, for a future period of 1,000 years.
I believe it is helpful to consider what is not mentioned in this passage. Here are a few things that are commonly read into this text:
- The Beginning of Christ’s reign.
- Second coming of Jesus.
- The bodily resurrection (especially in the greater context).
- A 1,000 year reign on earth.
- The literal throne of David.
- The literal city of Jerusalem.
- Jesus on earth.
- Anyone other than martyrs.
- Fulfillment of Abrahamic promises.
- Fulfillment of Davidic promises.
That these cannot be in Revelation 20:4 is made clear at the very beginning of Revelation. Revelation 20:4 was about to take place in the near future of the saints first reading this book. The Dispensationalist places these items in our future, 2,000+ years beyond the lives of those first readers. Revelation 20:4 is about none of the items in this list, so let’s see what it is about.
Just before this scene of victory in chapter 20, is a scene of warfare. In that battle, a sword comes from the Lord’s mouth. Is He smiting the nations in a future, physical conflict, or is this a judgment where the sword of the Lord’s mouth (His word) is victorious? The entire army, other than the beast and false prophet, are killed “with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat upon the horse” (Rev 19:21). I am told about the “wine press” of God’s wrath (Rev 19:15). As the birds of prey are filled with flesh, we are being shown the total defeat of the Lamb’s enemies.
The people who reign with Jesus for 1,000 years are the ones who come to life. They were martyred for the Lord, but are now raised to reign with Him. These victors will not be on earth. These souls were previously under the altar in heaven (Rev 6:9; 14:17f). Would coming back to earth really be a “step up” for them? Victory is with the Lamb.
We are also told that this resurrection is the first resurrection. The fact that “the rest of the dead” will not be raised until after the 1,000 years should make us pause and think. Jesus and Paul taught that there would be one resurrection at which all would be raised (lessons 14 & 20). Since all will be raised at one resurrection, there must be something else going on in this passage, because it involves more than one resurrection. Remember that the Bible does not contradict itself.
Making this resurrection physical is a huge mistake. In the context of Revelation’s symbolism, it becomes natural to view this as a different resurrection than the physical resurrection that will take place at Christ’s second coming. We must not miss who these people are. They aren’t just anyone who has died while serving the Lord.7 [sic; there is no footnote 7 in Pulliam’s Lesson 24] These are the martyrs from Revelation 6.
9 “And when He broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, ‘How long, O Lord, holy and true, wilt Thou refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?’ 11 And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer; until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, should be completed also.”
(Revelation 6:9-11)
These martyrs are told to rest a little while longer until their blood is avenged. There are fellow servants who will also be slain for the word of God before their cry can be answered. This is the principle of God avenging the blood of His saints. It was stated by Jesus in Matthew 23:34-39, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. Here it is justice for saints who died at the hands of Roman oppressors. The point is that justice must eventually prevail. Their blood cries out for vengeance. Ten chapters later we read:
5 “And I heard the angel of the waters saying, ‘Righteous art Thou, who art and who wast, O Holy One, because Thou didst judge these things; 6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and Thou hast given them blood to drink. They deserve it.’ 7 And I heard the altar saying, ‘Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Thy judgments.’”
(Revelation 16:5-7)
I can see an angel saying something, but when an altar starts speaking, I have to stop and think for a moment. I’ve just put two passages together for you that should help you see the point. Where were those souls in Revelation 6 when we heard them crying out for vengeance? They were under the altar in heaven. Why does the altar speak in this text? Because the altar represents the sacrifice of those who were slain for the word of God. John’s vision presents these martyrs as an offering which had gone up before God as a pleasing sacrifice. Their sacrifice was in continual remembrance. God was not forgetting them. How comforting to a people who were facing death for the cause of Christ every day!
The book of Revelation is about the cause of God becoming victorious, and His intention to avenge the blood of His saints (Rev 19:2). That was a battle being fought in the hearts of the Lamb’s subjects. How can the victory of this cause be expressed any better than in the resurrection of those who lost their lives for that cause? They shall overcome!
{Ibid. 263-265. Italics, boldface, bullet points, & indentation in original.}
Alright, now that you’ve read all that nauseating garbage, let’s address it point-by-point.
“When people read this passage, they automatically read ‘a reign of Christ upon the earth’ into the message.” And why shouldn’t they? After all, Hebrews 2:5 implied as much: “For He did not subject to angels [the inhabited earth] to come, concerning which we are speaking.” (1995 NASB, boldface added; words in brackets are the literal rendering given in the NASB margin notes) The phrase “concerning which we are speaking” harks back to the previous chapter, which packs a whopping 7 quotes from the LXX (Psalm 2:7, 1 Chronicles 17:13, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalm 104:4, Psalm 45:6-7, Psalm 102:25-27, & Psalm 110:1) into only 9 verses (Hebrews 1:5-13)—all of which except Psalm 104:4 came from OT contexts talking about Christ’s Kingdom! Speaking of which…
“This text is not about the reign of Christ, however. If you will read that text very carefully, you will see that it is actually about the reign of the martyrs with Christ. That is very important. That is exactly where this entire book has been headed from the beginning. It is obvious that Jesus Christ is reigning, but that is not the point! Jesus Christ was already reigning.” Christ is already reigning over the Heavenly Dominions; he is not reigning over the earth, much less all the enemies he still has on it, as seen in the last OT quotation of Hebrews 1: “But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?” (verse 13 KJV, quoting Psalm 110:1) The Hebrew text of Psalm 110:1 makes it clear that Jesus’ enemies haven’t become his footstool yet, since the imperfect verb for “make” portrays the process as not even starting until he’s no longer at the Father’s right side–a place we all agree Jesus occupies at present! Indeed, the author of Hebrews consistently portrayed Jesus’ priesthood as present, but his kingship as future!
“Of vital importance, is the way this whole affair has turned out for cause [sic] of the Lamb. That is most easily seen by reading Revelation 2 and 3, then skipping straight to Revelation 20. When you do that, it helps focus this book on the results for the saints, rather than allow Revelation to become a ‘textbook’ on Jesus getting a millennial throne.” So now Pulliam is teaching his readers how to selectively proof-text by telling them to skip over the details of chapters 4-19? Talk about saying the quiet part out loud.
“There is no doubt that Revelation 20 told early saints that a thousand year reign would take place. No one denies that. The debate begins when we start talking about what the thousand year reign refers to. Dispensationalism wants to make it a literal reign of Jesus upon earth, in the city of Jerusalem, for a future period of 1,000 years.” Dispensationalists aren’t the only ones to reach that conclusion. The earliest church fathers who said anything on the matter did the same!
The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it. Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.
{”Epistle of Barnabas”. Chapter 15. Boldface mine.}
For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works. This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.
{Irenaeus. “Against Heresies”. Book 5. Chapter 28. Section 3. Boldface mine.}
But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
{Irenaeus. “Against Heresies”. Book 5. Chapter 30. Section 4. Boldface mine.}
“I believe it is helpful to consider what is not mentioned in this passage. Here are a few things that are commonly read into this text:
- The Beginning of Christ’s reign.
- Second coming of Jesus.
- The bodily resurrection (especially in the greater context).
- A 1,000 year reign on earth.
- The literal throne of David.
- The literal city of Jerusalem.
- Jesus on earth.
- Anyone other than martyrs.
- Fulfillment of Abrahamic promises.
- Fulfillment of Davidic promises.”
First off, one phrase that should immediately raise a red flag is “I believe…”–Pulliam is tacitly admitting that he’s being subjective here. Indeed, he’s using the same tactic that pre-Tribulationists use to try to separate the rapture from Christ’s second coming: fixating on details that aren’t mentioned in an isolated Biblical passage about certain events, while ignoring other Biblical passages that do link the events of that passage with those details! So why don’t I set the record straight by going through a bunch of passages that do mention these things alongside the details that are mentioned in Revelation 20?
I mentioned above that the Hebrew text of Psalm 110:1 links “The Beginning of Christ’s reign” in time to the “Second coming of Jesus”. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 places the resurrection of the righteous (“The bodily resurrection”, since the very concept of resurrection in Jewish belief–the understanding of resurrection that Paul would’ve used–requires a physical body for the one being resurrected!), which includes people “other than martyrs”, at the time of Jesus’ parousia (“Second coming of Jesus”). 1 Chronicles 17:10-14 lays out the Davidic promises, and we saw above that Hebrews 1:5c quoted this passage as applying to Jesus’ rule over “the inhabited earth to come” (2:5), which in turn would place “Jesus on earth”. And since Revelation 20:6c does mention that the righteous “will reign with Him for a thousand years”, this also places that “1,000 year reign on earth”. This is reinforced in Daniel 7, which has the saints receiving authority to judge at the time Jesus takes the Kingdom: “I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of [literally, “was given to”] the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom. (Daniel 7:21-22 1995 NASB, boldface added). The saints and Jesus reigning on Earth is reinforced in the same chapter: “Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.” (Daniel 7:27 1995 NASB, boldface added) I demonstrated in the previous post that Isaiah 9:4-7 is meant in a straightforward manner, talking about the Messiah’s Kingdom, and not only do verses 3-4 refer to “the nation” (obviously Israel, in light of the context) being delivered from an oppressive ruler (the Antichrist, in light of the parallels with Isaiah 14:25-26; note that this connects the fulfillment of this passage with the fulfillment of Daniel 7:21, where “that horn” refers to the Antichrist), but the ending to that passage explicitly mentions “The literal throne of David”: “For a youth was begotten for us, a son was given for us. And so the empire will be upon his shoulder. Therefore his name will be called ‘Wonderful Counselor to the Mighty God who is Father of Perpetuity and of the Prince of Peace’. Unto abundance of the empire and unto peace, without end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom, to arrange her, to sustain her, with judgment and with righteousness, from this time and as far as an age, zeal of YHWH of hosts will fashion this empire.” (Isaiah 9:6-7, my right-to-left translation of the Great Isaiah Scroll). I also demonstrated in the previous post that since Revelation 21-22 harks back to OT passages (like Isaiah 54, 60, 62, 65-66; Ezekiel 43, 47, & 48) whose contexts are unambiguously referring to a restored version of the Jerusalem that was familiar to their authors, Revelation 21-22 (which I demonstrated above is referring to the state of affairs during the Millennium, as well as after it) is indeed referring to “The literal city of Jerusalem”. As for the Abrahamic promises, I’ve pointed out repeatedly in this series that Abraham never received the land in his lifetime, so that must occur when he’s resurrected with the rest of the righteous–which, again, will occur when Jesus returns.
See? All of those details are linked with the righteous ruling with Jesus in the Kingdom in other passages! What Pulliam needed to do was show that these details are mutually-exclusive to the details of Revelation 20. I’ve just demonstrated that any attempt to do that is doomed to fail.
And just in case you take issue with my claim that “the very concept of resurrection in Jewish belief–the understanding of resurrection that Paul would’ve used–requires a physical body for the one being resurrected”, consider this exchange Lee Strobel recorded himself having with William Lane Craig:
“While the [1 Corinthians 15] creed says Jesus was crucified, buried, and then resurrected, it doesn’t specifically say the tomb was empty,” I pointed out. “Doesn’t this leave room for the possibility that the Resurrection was only spiritual in nature and that Jesus’ body was still in the tomb?”
“The creed definitely implies the empty tomb,” Craig countered. “You see, the Jews had a physical concept of resurrection. For them, the primary object of the resurrection was the bones of the deceased—not even the flesh, which was thought to be perishable. After the flesh rotted away, the Jews would gather the bones of their deceased and put them in boxes to be preserved until the resurrection at the end of the world, when God would raise the righteous dead of Israel and they would come together in the final kingdom of God.
“In light of this, it would have been simply a contradiction of terms for an early Jew to say that someone was raised from the dead but his body still was left in the tomb. So when this early Christian creed says Jesus was buried and then raised on the third day, it’s saying implicitly but quite clearly: an empty tomb was left behind.”
{Strobel, Lee. “The Case for Christ”. 1998. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan. 283. Boldface and content in brackets mine.}
Remember, Jesus’ resurrection body was the prototype for ours (Philippians 3:21)!
“That these cannot be in Revelation 20:4 is made clear at the very beginning of Revelation. Revelation 20:4 was about to take place in the near future of the saints first reading this book. The Dispensationalist places these items in our future, 2,000+ years beyond the lives of those first readers. Revelation 20:4 is about none of the items in this list, so let’s see what it is about.” I’ve already addressed Pulliam’s ad nauseum claims about a 1st-century fulfillment of Revelation in exhausting (no, that’s not a typo!) detail here. And again, there’s no evidence that anyone held a preterist view of Revelation until Eusebius wrote Περι Θεοφανια (the title literally means “Concerning Theophany”, but the English title is usually given as “The Divine Sunrise” or “Divine Manifestations”) in A.D. 310.
“Just before this scene of victory in chapter 20, is a scene of warfare. In that battle, a sword comes from the Lord’s mouth. Is He smiting the nations in a future, physical conflict, or is this a judgment where the sword of the Lord’s mouth (His word) is victorious?” False dichotomy. Jesus will speak (the figurative sword coming out of his mouth) to cause literal swords to pierce his enemies (per “Day of the Lord” prophecies that speak of literal swords slaying the wicked, like Isaiah 13:15–not to be confused with the prophecy of the Medo-Persian conquest of Babylon in verses 16-18, per the waw-disjunctive at the beginning of verse 16 and the waw-consecutive at the start of verse 19 indicating that those verses are parenthetical, and not tied to the chronology of the rest of the passage–Jeremiah 46:10, & Ezekiel 30:1-5). “The entire army, other than the beast and false prophet, are killed ‘with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat upon the horse’ (Rev 19:21). I am told about the ‘wine press’ of God’s wrath (Rev 19:15). As the birds of prey are filled with flesh, we are being shown the total defeat of the Lamb’s enemies.” Yes, the winepress of God’s wrath is a metaphor taken from Joel 3:13, but that doesn’t disqualify the winepress from being a metaphor for a literal bloodbath, as it clearly is in the context that introduced the metaphor (Joel 3:9-17)!
“The people who reign with Jesus for 1,000 years are the ones who come to life. They were martyred for the Lord, but are now raised to reign with Him. These victors will not be on earth. These souls were previously under the altar in heaven (Rev 6:9; 14:17f). Would coming back to earth really be a ‘step up’ for them? Victory is with the Lamb.” Again, the Greek sentence structure of Revelation 20:4 makes it clearer that the martyrs are a subset of all the people who come to life at that time. As explained earlier, the souls under the altar in Revelation 6:9 refer to the shed blood of the martyrs, not the martyrs themselves. This passage in no way supports the “Heavenly Destiny” concept that Pulliam merely assumes when he asks whether “coming back to earth [would] really be a ‘step up’ for them”.
“The fact that ‘the rest of the dead’ will not be raised until after the 1,000 years should make us pause and think. Jesus and Paul taught that there would be one resurrection at which all would be raised (lessons 14 & 20). Since all will be raised at one resurrection, there must be something else going on in this passage, because it involves more than one resurrection. Remember that the Bible does not contradict itself.” Indeed, that statement in Revelation 20:5 “should make [Pulliam] pause and think”. And indeed, the Bible, in its original phrasing, never contradicts itself, just as we’d expect from a book ultimately written by One who “cannot deny himself” (2 Timothy 2:13c NKJV). And Paul taught that there would be exactly two mass resurrections in Philippians 3:11. As I emphasized further into that post I just linked to:
I’ve explained in the present post how John 5:28-29 can be interpreted (without clashing with its context) as being consistent with two mass resurrections, and that Philippians 3:11 only makes sense if there will be exactly two mass resurrections. The onus is therefore on Pulliam to show how Philippians 3:11 can be interpreted (without clashing with its context) as being consistent with only one mass resurrection, which he seems to think is clearly taught by John 5:28-29. Until he can demonstrate why it makes just as much sense (let alone more sense) to interpret Philippians 3:11 in light of John 5:28-29 instead of vice versa, he has no case.
{Scroll to the fourth paragraph under the first blockquote from Pulliam under the section ““What Jesus Said About the End”?”. Italics, boldface, and underlining in original.}
“Making this resurrection physical is a huge mistake. In the context of Revelation’s symbolism, it becomes natural to view this as a different resurrection than the physical resurrection that will take place at Christ’s second coming. We must not miss who these people are. They aren’t just anyone who has died while serving the Lord. These are the martyrs from Revelation 6.” So far, Pulliam has given us no unequivocal reason why “[m]aking this resurrection physical is a huge mistake.” He can play fast-and-loose with what parts of Revelation to take symbolically versus literally all day, but until he adopts a consistent, non-arbitrary way to decide which is which, all proclamations on that front are mere assertions. Once again: an assertion is not a fact. And, as I just reiterated, the martyrs are a subset of all the people resurrected when Jesus returns.
“These martyrs are told to rest a little while longer until their blood is avenged. There are fellow servants who will also be slain for the word of God before their cry can be answered. This is the principle of God avenging the blood of His saints. It was stated by Jesus in Matthew 23:34-39, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. Here it is justice for saints who died at the hands of Roman oppressors. The point is that justice must eventually prevail. Their blood cries out for vengeance.” Pulliam is correct that Matthew 23:34-39 applies to the second destruction of Jerusalem, but there’s something I should highlight here. Pulliam is assuming that the phrase “this generation” refers to Jesus’ contemporaries. In reality, everywhere this phrase (and related ones Jesus is recorded as using) occurs in the Bible, it refers to those who are nominally God’s people, yet reject God’s word (in the one instance where it definitely doesn’t refer to wicked Israelites, Genesis 7:1, it refers to the Antediluvian “Sons of God”, of whom Noah was the last righteous member). Since such people still exist today, they also have the blood of history’s martyrs on their heads–or they would, if Jesus hadn’t specified punishments exclusive to Israelites in verse 34 and narrowed the scope of the martyrs whose blood they had on their heads to the ones who died from Abel through Zechariah son of Berechiah in verse 35. So, at best, those living since Jesus’ time who are supposedly God’s people, yet reject His word, have on their heads the blood of all martyrs since Jesus. Hence, it’s not just Roman oppressors, but all oppressors throughout history who’ve martyred Christians–including, e.g., the Roman Catholic Church (Revelation 18:20,24)! Hang on, does Pulliam think all the martyrs of the second century onward are chopped liver?!
“Ten chapters later we read:
5 “And I heard the angel of the waters saying, ‘Righteous art Thou, who art and who wast, O Holy One, because Thou didst judge these things; 6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and Thou hast given them blood to drink. They deserve it.’ 7 And I heard the altar saying, ‘Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Thy judgments.’”
(Revelation 16:5-7)
I can see an angel saying something, but when an altar starts speaking, I have to stop and think for a moment.” Well, that last point is moot, because the Greek text doesn’t require that at all. The key phrase is “καὶ ἤκουσα ἄλλου ἐκ τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου λέγοντος” (Revelation 16:7 TR), meaning “and I heard another [angel] out from the midst of the altar, saying”. Granted, NA28 has “καὶ ἤκουσα τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου λέγοντος”, which more simply means “and I heard [a voice] from the altar, saying”, but neither phrasing requires that the altar do the speaking–they’re equally compatible with an angel other than the one mentioned in verse 5 doing the speaking, while he’s at the altar. Either of these views of Revelation 16:7a requires eisegesis (reading things into the text that aren’t there), so we shouldn’t be dogmatic either way.
“I’ve just put two passages together for you that should help you see the point. Where were those souls in Revelation 6 when we heard them crying out for vengeance? They were under the altar in heaven. Why does the altar speak in this text? Because the altar represents the sacrifice of those who were slain for the word of God. John’s vision presents these martyrs as an offering which had gone up before God as a pleasing sacrifice. Their sacrifice was in continual remembrance. God was not forgetting them. How comforting to a people who were facing death for the cause of Christ every day!” Setting aside the fact that it’s the blood of the martyrs under the altar in heaven (not the martyrs themselves), it should also be comforting to those who’ve faced death for the cause of Christ down through the centuries up to and including our day, as well. See how preterism deprives us Christians living after the 1st century of this assurance of being included? Deprives us of the payoff for our suffering (to the point of death or otherwise)?
“The book of Revelation is about the cause of God becoming victorious, and His intention to avenge the blood of His saints (Rev 19:2). That was a battle being fought in the hearts of the Lamb’s subjects. How can the victory of this cause be expressed any better than in the resurrection of those who lost their lives for that cause? They shall overcome!” Having dealt with the bogus logic Pulliam used to reach this point, that rhetorical question amounts to a bald assertion. Say it with me now: an assertion is not a fact.
Additional Examples of Figurative Resurrections?
In addition to Pulliam’s claims, I’ve also been presented with the following claim in a Facebook comment by a certain Barrack Ongaro in the course of responding to my critiques of his amillennialist views: “The Scripture speaks of figurative resurrections as well as literal ones (see Isaiah 26:19; Ezekiel 37:12; Romans 11:15).” {I can’t find a link to the original Facebook post (he made it sometime in 2024), but I did save the full text of both his comment containing the sentence quoted here and my comment that he was responding to. So if you’d like to see the whole thing, along with the response I’d give to it now after additional research, let me know in the comments!}
I’ve already addressed the claim about Ezekiel 37:12 here (and in vastly greater detail here), showing that it is indeed referring to the literal, bodily resurrection of the righteous at Jesus’ return. The same is true of Romans 11:15, as I explain here. So that just leaves Isaiah 26:19.
Your [singular] dead will live;
Their corpses [following “some ancient versions”, as the NASB margin note puts it–I’ve already determined that this includes Targum Jonathan & the Syriac {scroll to p. 1467 in the PDF}; LXX has “those in the tombs”; MT, Great Isaiah Scroll {Click on the scan, then scroll to the top of Column 21}, and Latin Vulgate have “My corpse”–in light of Isaiah being the speaker throughout the chapter (note the lack of any phrase akin to “Thus says the LORD”), this would refer to Isaiah’s corpse] will rise.
You [plural] who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your [singular] dew is as the dew of the dawn [literally, “of lights”],
And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits [literally, “And Earth will let drop the shades”].
(1995 NASB, boldface added)
Since the LXX of Isaiah & the Great Isaiah Scroll are pretty close together in terms of antiquity, I’d consider it legitimately debatable whether the third-person plural (“those in the tombs”) or the first-person singular (“my corpse”) was the original reading for the second phrase. Fortunately, I don’t see any doctrines these textual variants would have any implications for.
Regardless, I’ve already explained a little something about Isaiah 26 in the final Endnote of another article:
the opening phrase of the chapter, “In that day” (verse 1a BLXX) refers back to the phrase “And in that day” in Isaiah 25:9a (BLXX). Which day is that? The one that was summarized in the previous major train of thought (Isaiah 25:8 has the solitary letter פ at the end of it in the Masoretic Text), which contains a statement Paul referenced in 1 Corinthians 15:54c: Paul quotes the phrase as Κατεπόθη ὁ θάνατος εἰς νῖκος (TR, boldface added) – “The Death was swallowed up — to victory” (YLT, boldface added). While the LXX of Isaiah 25:8a has κατέπιεν ὁ θάνατος ἰσχύσας (“The Death which had strength swallowed men up”–seeming to contradict the point Paul was making!), Paul’s phrasing is a legitimate Greek translation of what we see in the Masoretic Text: בִּלַּע הַמָּוֶת לָנֶצַח (“He will have swallowed up the death unto a goal”). This tells us that Paul linked Isaiah 25:8 (and by implication, the following major train of thought, which the petuha-cetuma test tells us doesn’t end until Isaiah 28:13!) with the resurrection of the righteous (which 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 places at the time of Jesus’ parousia)! Also note that verses 20-21 are talking about faithful Israelites surviving the Tribulation by going into hiding: “Go, my people, enter into thy closets, shut thy door, hide thyself for a little season, until the anger of the Lord have passed away. For, behold, the Lord is bringing wrath from his holy place upon the dwellers on the earth: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall not cover her slain.” (Isaiah 26:20-21 BLXX) Indeed, a sermon in the Apocalypse of Pseudo-Ephraem (a sermon collection dating to the 600s A.D.) references this very passage when talking about people fleeing from the Antichrist’s wrath; see p. 4 of this PDF.
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Long story short: if Isaiah 25:8 was referring to the resurrection of the righteous (as Paul clearly indicated in 1 Corinthians 15:54), then so was Isaiah 26:19. Hence, this verse is also referring to the literal, bodily resurrection of the righteous at Jesus’ return.
The Closest Thing the Bible Gives Us to a Figurative Resurrection
The strongest case that can be made for any Biblical mention of dead people coming back to life being meant figuratively is for John 5:25.
25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. (John 5:25-29 1995 NASB, boldface and underlining added)
The resurrections referred to in verses 28 & 29 are obviously literal, but the phrase “and now is” in verse 25 seems to imply that Jesus was talking there about something that was coming to pass at the point in his ministry when he said it. But even here, a literal interpretation of “the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live” does fit the textual and historical context. Aside from all the people Jesus resuscitated (brought back to life in their original bodies, as opposed to resurrecting them in glorified bodies) in the course of his earthly ministry, consider what happened when he died:
And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after [or “amidst” {scroll to entry II.1. under “Thayer’s Greek Lexicon”}] His resurrection [literally, “the rousing of his,” or better, “the rousing caused by him,”; the Greek noun is egersis, not anastasis; this implies something qualitatively different from a resurrection–a resuscitation; this would also fit better with the consistent teaching of the rest of the NT that Jesus was the first person to be resurrected] they entered the holy city and appeared to many. (Matthew 27:50-53 1995 NASB, boldface added)
Yet, that mass resuscitation occurred at least two more Passovers after the events of John 5 (cf. John 6:4 & 11:55). So, wouldn’t this interpretation still violate the “and now is” statement in John 5:25? Not quite. Consider what Jesus had said to the Samaritan woman at the well in the prior chapter:
The woman said to Him, “Sir [literally, “Lord”], I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:19-24 1995 NASB, boldface and underlining added)
The same Greek phrase for “and now is” (καὶ νῦν ἐστιν) is used in John 4:23 and 5:25. Yet this remark about worshiping “the Father in spirit and truth” wouldn’t be fulfilled until the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost of A.D. 30–52 days after Jesus’ crucifixion and the mass resuscitation of Matthew 27:52-53 (by inclusive reckoning)! If the Pentecost following Jesus’ crucifixion was close enough in time to the events of John 4 to be described as a time that “now is”, then how much more would that go for the mass resuscitation at Jesus’ death and the events of John 5? You might capture the sense of “and now is” in these verses by treating ἐστιν as a futuristic present: “an hour is coming, and now is inevitable/imminent“.
So even in this case, a literal resurrection does make sense!
Conclusion
See how neatly everything fits together when we just take all Scriptural references to resurrections or dead people coming to life literally? The fact that amillennialists have to pull out an entire eisegetical “bag of tricks” and use those tricks in very different ways to come up with very different interpretations of “resurrection” or “dead ones coming to life” from one passage to the next is extremely telling. It underscores just how many ad hoc devices they’re willing to bust out just to contort the Bible to their preconceived notions! Pulliam seems to be a fan of Occam’s Razor, but who is Occam’s Razor siding with on this one? Clearly, it’s so much simpler (not to mention more respectful to God’s word) to just take all such references at face value and let the exegetical chips fall where they may. And if that means discarding our preconceived notions about what the Bible teaches, then so be it; at least that way we end up with a more accurate understanding of what the Bible teaches.
- Dan Wallace wrote the following in his now-standard Greek Grammar textbook: “Only an examination of the context will help one see whether this use of the present stresses immediacy or certainty. In this respect, the ambiguity of the semantic nuance of the completely futuristic present is akin to the ambiguity of the lexical nuance of μέλλω (which usually means either “I am about to” [immediacy] or “I will inevitably” [certainty]). {“Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament”. Wallace, Daniel B. 1996. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Academic. 536. Italics and content in parentheses and brackets in original.} ↩︎
- Revelation 21 & 22 describe the time that begins with the Millennium and continues into eternity future, not just the time after the Millennium. This is conclusively demonstrated from the opening verse: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.” (Revelation 21:1 KJV, boldface added) The Greek word for the boldfaced words is πρῶτος (prōtos, G4413), meaning “foremost”; it’s a superlative form of πρό (pro, G4253), which would mean “former” if used as a comparative. If the sin-cursed world we inhabit now is the first, the Millennium of Revelation 20:2-7 with the Curse being removed at the start of it will be the second, and eternity future will be the third (as would be required by assuming that Revelation 21-22 chronologically follows Revelation 20, instead of starting alongside it), then John would’ve written pro (to indicate that the second had given way to the third) or even inflections of δεύτερος (deuteros, G1208, the actual Greek word for “second”), rather than the inflections of prōtos he actually used. Hence, Revelation 21:1 is referring to the present sin-cursed world giving way to the Curse-free world of the Millennium and beyond. And before you suggest that God could annihilate and recreate the universe at the end of the Millennium, with the Millennium and all spacetime before it being the “first”, God says in Revelation 21:5, “Behold, refreshed I am making all things” (my word-for-word translation of “ἰδοὺ καινὰ ποιῶ πάντα”); the boldfaced word is from the root καινός (kainos, G2537), connoting freshness—not νέος (neos, G3501), connoting youth. ↩︎





